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Farencue
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 | | 17 Nov 2009 05:08 AM |
| I really, really did detect Dr Carlson's missing kidney! I even told him I did, yes I know it was after he told me I failed to detect that he had a missing kidney. I am definitely ignoring the fact that Dr Carlson thinks I have no abilities! And you impatient skeptics are not going to convince me it was a false memory or postdiction! I am going to show that meanie Dr Carlson that he should not mess with me! Anyway, now I have a gig in Hollywood because I am so clever and adorable. I am also a mega brilliant science student as well as being the first woo to falsify my own woo claims due to my scientific brilliance. I am having a missing kidney test because I really, really did detect his kidney was missing, ven though I did not write it down or mention it. I think I have mentioned I am a brilliant science student though. Oh, and I am good at posting boring, repetitive walls of text too! Me and I are going to win that Nobel Prize someday and then all you Meanies can kiss my Swedish butt. | | | |
| VisionFromFeeling I Really, Really Did...Nothing
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 | | 17 Nov 2009 05:14 PM |
| I did detect the left kidney being missing during the reading, and it is not a false memory fabricated after the fact, but I have never requested that anyone believe in this account, because of course I have no evidence to back it up. You have to question it. But all I am asking is that you allow that I was there, and that I believe that it happened as I have said, and that this is the reason I am having the IIG Preliminary. That is all it says. And if I fail to demonstrate this claim on the IIG Preliminary, the claim of being able to detect organs being missing is thereby falsified. It is all quite simple. Please don't disrespect Dr. Carlson. Of course he is unable to believe in my claims, since I have not been able to demonstrate them to him. He is a wonderful scientist and skeptic and I hold him in high regard. The only reason my Preliminary takes place in Hollywood, is because that is where the IIG are located and they agreed to test my claims. And I have never expected to win a Nobel prize, it was Jim Carr who brought that up when he said that if I had an ability, someone else would be entitled to the Nobel prize associated to it, and I simply objected. | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 17 Nov 2009 06:13 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 17 Nov 2009 09:14 AM
I did detect the left kidney being missing during the reading, and it is not a false memory fabricated after the fact, but I have never requested that anyone believe in this account, because of course I have no evidence to back it up. You have to question it. But all I am asking is that you allow that I was there, and that I believe that it happened as I have said, and that this is the reason I am having the IIG Preliminary. That is all it says. And if I fail to demonstrate this claim on the IIG Preliminary, the claim of being able to detect organs being missing is thereby falsified. It is all quite simple. Please don't disrespect Dr. Carlson. Of course he is unable to believe in my claims, since I have not been able to demonstrate them to him. He is a wonderful scientist and skeptic and I hold him in high regard. The only reason my Preliminary takes place in Hollywood, is because that is where the IIG are located and they agreed to test my claims. And I have never expected to win a Nobel prize, it was Jim Carr who brought that up when he said that if I had an ability, someone else would be entitled to the Nobel prize associated to it, and I simply objected. In other words: I am having a missing kidney test because I really, really did detect his kidney was missing, ven though I did not write it down or mention it. I think I have mentioned I am a brilliant science student though. Oh, and I am good at posting boring, repetitive walls of text too!

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| Daylightstar
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 | | 17 Nov 2009 08:49 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 17 Nov 2009 09:14 AM
.. Dr. Carlson.
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He is a wonderful scientist and skeptic and I hold him in high regard..
Except of course when he feels you have no abillity to test. Then you'll disregard him.
Clear, got it.
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| Farencue
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 | | 18 Nov 2009 04:40 AM |
| The only person disrespecting Dr Carlson is YOU you stupid cow.
The wonderful scientist and skeptic has already told you that you have no ability worth testing. Why don't you respect that? Oh, cause you really, really did see it. Yes, yes, yes.
You came third out of fourth at a guessing game. Why don't you accept that?
Now you are spreading even more cowshit around the JREF - this time you CLAIM that Dr Carlson is going to let you practise seeing his missing kidney at the FACT meeting this week.
You really are so respectful of the wonderful scientist and skeptic aren't you Anita you hypocritical scammer. I wonder if Dr Carlson gets the ditzy blonde treatment from you.
Why would a respected, wonderful scientist who has PUBLICLY STATED that you have no ability worth testing indulge you in your fantasies?
The answer is Anita: HE WOULDN'T and we all know that.
It is your sick and twisted mind deluding you again. | | | |
| pakeha
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 | | 18 Nov 2009 10:14 AM |
| hi, Farencue, here's the stupid question of the morning at you. I missed the post in which dr Carlson actually said that, also the one about the test where VFF came 3rd out of 4 in the guessing game. I've waded through the posted material, seen it referenced, but have missed the original source. Could you or anyone else here shout me the original/ I've tried the search function, but no joy as yet. Thanks! | | | |
| UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | 18 Nov 2009 10:52 AM |
| Try this: http://forums.randi.org/showthread....post741929 I believe Wardenclyffe was actually there when the results were discussed. If he didn't post the results, I think GodOfPie might have. The Advanced Search tool lets you search posts by user name. If you find the exact post, please send it here. I would do it, but, alas, I am not welcome on the JREF any longer. Also, check out my latest blog entry for some more background. And on the front page, catch the link to the Interview thread. Very enlightening. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 18 Nov 2009 01:50 PM |
| Didn't Dr. Carlson post those results here, as well? Seems to me Ashles then copy/pasted them at the JREF. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| pakeha
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 | | 18 Nov 2009 07:14 PM |
| Thanks for the advise, though I've had no joy so far. The closest I get is a post by VFF 28 March 2009. And here, I find nothing at all. So far, anyway. | | | |
| Daylightstar
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 | | 18 Nov 2009 07:28 PM |
| Still looking for another reference. This one (posted on May 14, 2009 14:27) by UncaYimmy I found until now:
''I think Dr. Carslon said it best when he reported, "It is clear from this study that VFF has not yet found any ability which is worthy of devising a full-scale test."
On this site at:
www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com/Blog/...fault.aspx | | | |
| Daylightstar
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 | | 18 Nov 2009 07:38 PM |
| I started to read the interview, UncaJimmy but gave it up as a bad job.
Those paras of woo triggerred my mind's instinct for survival half-way down the page; it's difficult to believe this comes from a college student, a chemistry major at that.
I've been in contact with woo on too many occasions not to recognise an accomplished wooster when I read this sort of thing- I know it takes a great deal of time and effort to write this sort of thing; I consider that ghastly website and the wall o' text posts to represent hours and hours of writing. Additionally, because both products are so completely anti-science os perhaps better yet, so pseudo-science, that it is difficult to image what a double science major must do even to accomodate such senseless drivel.
The posters here are far more familiar than I with VFF's crazy like a fox approach to criticism.
Simply the fact VFF posts here tells its own tale, doesn't it.
Anyway.
Saturday nears even as I type and I will have some Tio Pepe and decent olives on hand to accompany the viewing.
Thanks, UncaJimmy, for setting up this site! | | | |
| Daylightstar
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 | | 18 Nov 2009 07:44 PM |
| okay so I was thinking of the not worth testing statement. | | | |
| Farencue
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 | | 19 Nov 2009 04:24 AM |
| Hello pakeha - your question of the morning is actually questioning me at night, but I have spent a good few hours searching for the source of Dr Carlson's email. The IIG west July update refers to Dr Carlson as "writing online May 14th 2009" On that date UncaYimmy told us on this site that Dr Carlson had registered and posted here, although I can't find that post. I'm afraid I am not very helpful, mainly because when I go to search the JREF there are so many visionfromfantasy threads I cant keep them all straight.
On a side note, Anita CLAIMED on the JREF that Dr Carlson was going to let her practice detecting his missing kidney.
To prove what a liar and how disgustingly out of touch with reality this stupid cow is, here is a copy of her latest message on the FACT board. I cannot see where Dr Carlson even acknowledges her post (because, as usual, Anita has simply hijacked another person's post for her own glory) much less promise her she can look at his missing kidney for practice. She even changed the title of the post in her "reply" to Dr Carlson's initial post. Oh please, pass me the chunder bucket! ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Re: [skeptics-182] IIG Preliminary DemonstrationFrom: Anita Ikonen Sent on: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:10 PM
Good luck with that Dr. Carlson, I hope you enjoy it! I regret that I won't see it, so I hope someone can record it for us.
Speaking of appearances, I will be taking my paranormal preliminary demonstration with the Independent Investigations Group IIG in Hollywood on November 21st, which is the weekend after next! I will definitely attend our Skeptics meeting on the Wednesday that week.
I especially hope to see you there, Dr. Carlson, because I need to practice seeing that your kidney is missing, if I may.
Anita
> Dear fellow FACT members, > > I just wanted to mention I will be appearing on WFMY News 2 this Friday on > their Good Morning show. I've been told to arrive by 6:30 AM. I don't > know exactly what the topic will be, but it will be Friday the 13th > related, so I'll probably be smashing a mirror, spilling salt, or similar > things this Friday. > > Looking forward to seeing some of you next Wednesday at the meetup! > > Eric Carlson > > > >
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| Farencue
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 | | 19 Nov 2009 04:29 AM |
| Pakeha - the epitome of Anita's bullshit, dishonesty and disrespect can be found in the original thread at JREF called "Vision from feeling". Check out post#1624 on page 41, by godofpie: this man set up the FACT group and may even own the restaurant where the meetings are held (just a guess). He reported on a reading Anita did with a new member of this group, the infamous Wayne. In post #1654 Anita puts across her reply to godofpie. I am sure you will have a deeper understanding of how Anita's mind does or does not work after reading this.
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| Agatha
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 | | 19 Nov 2009 12:37 PM |
| Anita's latest wall of text on missing kidneys over at the JREFF is worth ploughing through, not for what is written but for what is omitted. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5325021#post5325021
First the hits:
Detecting Dr Carlsson's missing kidney when has already been told he has a kidney missing!
Detecting one-sided hearing loss after observing the meeting and speaking with the subject!
Detecting that a person has two kidneys after he jokes around and claims to have organs missing (some of which we can't live without). What are the odds? 1749 in 1750!
Now the misses:
Subject two claims to have some unspecified organs missing. Anita detects nothing of this.
Subject three informs Anita he plans to visit his doctor the next day, and challenges Anita to detect what his complaint is. Anita (in her own words) fails to detect any illness.
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| pakeha
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 | | 19 Nov 2009 12:41 PM |
| Cheers, Farencue, thanks for the posts! I find it's difficult to spotlight an epitome of VFF's bd&d- between the ghost stories, the 'cultural artifact' and the 70 year old boyfriend there's a wide range of choice, isn't there. Off to reread those posts. | | | |
| pakeha
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 | | 19 Nov 2009 01:10 PM |
| Ah, Farencue, those posts are gold.
I'm looking forward to reading godofpie's acount of their last FACT meeting with VFF in attendance.
From that post 1654
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They also mentioned at that first meeting they attended that they were considering putting together some kind of paranormal TV show.
True. We are going to visit allegedly haunted sites and video record our visits. My role will of course be the psychic and I will see what comes up when I communicate with my perceptions of these people of the past. Our investigations will be made available over the internet. It is just for fun and entertainment and does not represent any kind of scientific investigation. I do have a life besides my studies and work or even this paranormal investigation into my medical perceptions, and this happens to be one of the things I do. I also go to the gym and like the old episodes of Star Trek. I like frogs and insects and I collect CareBearsTM. What does that do to my credibility, I wonder?
So much for not having plans to pursue a career in woo.
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| VisionFromFeeling I Really, Really Did...Nothing
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 | | 19 Nov 2009 04:31 PM |
| As I said, I did the reading with the woman at the very end of the meeting. A full head-to-toe reading might take up to 30 minutes, for me to carefully go through every area of the body. I worked my way from the head and downward, writing down what I was perceiving as I go along. I never made it to the pelvic area which is where she was missing organs. As for the health problem I was supposed to detect in the man, it was kidney stones. As far as I know, he was not experiencing any current symptoms, and a miniscule kidney stone that is not causing current problems is, well, hard to detect, even if someone were able to see inside the body. They're rather small. And my claim is not to detect miniscule kidney stones when they are not causing any pain. I only claim to do, what I have been able to do in the past. | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
| Agatha
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 | | 19 Nov 2009 05:20 PM |
| As you said, you had plenty of time to observe the woman, and had spoken with her when she informed you she was missing some organs.
Detecting one-sided hearing loss requires no special skills, not even that of cold reading. What else did you detect about her which was later confirmed or refuted? Anything?
The third "subject" informed you he intended to visit his doctor the next day, which implies he was experiencing some symptoms. Is a kidney stone bigger than a bacterium? Only, y'know, you've claimed to be able to see bacteria....
It amazes me that you don't seem to see that your account of the "readings" with Dr Carlson and the other two attendees at the FACT meeting has provided yet more evidence that your 'ability' is nothing more than imagination and a desperate need to be seen to be special and important. None of these anecdotes which you have provided has counted in any way towards your credibility, quite the reverse. | | | Discourse ye unto the hand; for verily, the face listeneth not. | |
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