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Christa
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 | | 12 Jun 2009 07:31 AM |
| And I have to say that that's another reason people like this piss me off.
desertgal's husband takes real risks to do a real job. (though I'm not totally clear on the role of a pilot in an unpiloted plane. Would you mind telling me more, desertgal? Does your husband operate Predator drones?)
Anyway, her husband and his compatriots have this totally horrific, nearly fatal experience that I bet they rarely mention.
Then some delusional future scammer breezes onto an ancient thread to declare, "oh yeah, I did that once. Used prana. Piece of cake."
Lies like this demean the truth. They're truly offensive. I feel too few people realize that lies aren't intrinsically harmless, they're intrinsically harmful.
Think of all of the oil traders who lost their jobs at Enron because they couldn't match the results of traders who JUST INVENTED their numbers.
Lies have a cost, and usually people other than the liar pay it.
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| desertgal
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| | 12 Jun 2009 08:26 AM |
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Posted By Christa on 11 Jun 2009 11:31 PM
And I have to say that that's another reason people like this piss me off.
desertgal's husband takes real risks to do a real job. (though I'm not totally clear on the role of a pilot in an unpiloted plane. Would you mind telling me more, desertgal? Does your husband operate Predator drones?)
No, he flies the SR 200, which is a helicopter unit, and much smaller than the Predator drones. They have a number of applications: topographical surveillance, military recon, military weapons training, land mine deactivation, and surveillance for pipelines and police departments. Right now, they are searching for specific topographical details in the Afghan mountains. The crafts are effective for surveying small areas and tight fits, and they are very quiet.
Anyway, her husband and his compatriots have this totally horrific, nearly fatal experience that I bet they rarely mention.
Then some delusional future scammer breezes onto an ancient thread to declare, "oh yeah, I did that once. Used prana. Piece of cake."
Lies like this demean the truth. They're truly offensive. I feel too few people realize that lies aren't intrinsically harmless, they're intrinsically harmful.
Think of all of the oil traders who lost their jobs at Enron because they couldn't match the results of traders who JUST INVENTED their numbers.
Lies have a cost, and usually people other than the liar pay it.
You're right. They all prefer not to remember it,
if they can avoid it. When he read that the other night, her glibness
really irritated him. It's just not something that people who have
actually been through it would ever be that glib about.
And Anita has been like that from the beginning. She's glib about all of it - from telling some guy that he has a potentially fatal heart condition (but, hey, it's cool, because she also told him she wasn't a 'proven' psychic so he wouldn't take her seriously) to this most recent post. It's ALL offensive.
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| UncaYimmy
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| | 19 Jun 2009 02:28 AM |
| Anita privately told me that she is upset that I am using the "fact" that she was "suicidal" against her. She says it's tacky. To that I have a simple response: She brought it up. Nobody asked her to reveal this information publicly. For those who don't know, she was asked why she was not on the Chancellor's List if she in fact had the 4.0 average that she claimed. She said that she failed a course because she dropped out. She dropped out because of a dispute with the teacher over his conduct. Instead of leaving it there, she went into a bunch of drama and told us she was suicidal. I don't know if she's telling the truth or not, but that's what she said.
In this thread Anita is claiming that she has the endurance to deal with going without water nearly to the point of death. She did this not once, but three, count 'em, three times. I questioned the veracity of this claim when balanced against the claim that misconduct by a teacher, which was NOT actioned by the university when reported, was so horrible (throwing papers at her) that she considered suicide.
Anita needs to grow up. She brought up these subjects in a public forum. She did so willingly. She can't throw this stuff out there and not expect people to discuss it. Yeh, I am using her words "against" her if by "against" she means pointing out the seeming contradictions. I never asked her if she considered suicide nor did I ask her if she deprived herself of water until she was near death. She brought it up, so she needs to deal with the consequences. | | UncaYimmy
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| Christa
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| | 19 Jun 2009 03:59 AM |
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Posted By UncaYimmy on 18 Jun 2009 06:28 PM
Anita privately told me that she is upset that I am using the "fact" that she was "suicidal" against her. She says it's tacky. To that I have a simple response: She brought it up. Nobody asked her to reveal this information publicly. For those who don't know, she was asked why she was not on the Chancellor's List if she in fact had the 4.0 average that she claimed. She said that she failed a course because she dropped out. She dropped out because of a dispute with the teacher over his conduct. Instead of leaving it there, she went into a bunch of drama and told us she was suicidal. I don't know if she's telling the truth or not, but that's what she said.
Anita needs to grow up. She brought up these subjects in a public forum. She did so willingly. She can't throw this stuff out there and not expect people to discuss it. Yeh, I am using her words "against" her if by "against" she means pointing out the seeming contradictions. I never asked her if she considered suicide nor did I ask her if she deprived herself of water until she was near death. She brought it up, so she needs to deal with the consequences.
I completely agree with this. I am growing very tired of people who forget that this is the Internet, not their living room. Anything posted here is for the whole world to see and do with what they will. Once you put something into public space, it's out there and you lose control. If you want to keep info private, don't post it. OTOH, UncaYimmy, if you'd used that info to paint her in a more sympathetic light, you'd be brilliant again and she'd love you. | | | |
| desertgal
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| | 19 Jun 2009 06:42 AM |
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Posted By UncaYimmy on 18 Jun 2009 06:28 PM
Anita needs to grow up. She brought up these subjects in a public forum. She did so willingly. She can't throw this stuff out there and not expect people to discuss it. Yeh, I am using her words "against" her if by "against" she means pointing out the seeming contradictions. I never asked her if she considered suicide nor did I ask her if she deprived herself of water until she was near death. She brought it up, so she needs to deal with the consequences.
Exactly. As well, for heaven's sake, Anita, since we all know you are reading this, take the time to learn exactly what constitutes harassment and defamation before you start spouting off about calling the cops. It's pretty clear, as Longtabber has already pointed out to you, that you haven't the faintest clue what you are talking about. Despite what Plumjam may have told you. See, he doesn't live in the United States. I'm pretty sure he's not as conversant with US law as Longtabber spent his career becoming. Since you already took the time on the JREF forum to thank people for their concern about your mental health, you can't then turn around and cry harassment or defamation. Don't take my word for it, though. Please contact the police. One long look at this site or the JREF forum will show any cop or lawyer exactly what led up to the establishment of this site, and, considering you have broken the law yourself, by your own admission, on more than one occasion, that may not bode well for you. You certainly can't complain about defamation appearing on this forum. You provide a link to this site on your own home page, for the love of sandwiches. You don't condemn it, you condone it. It is absolutely clear to anyone reading your history in the Internet that you crave the attention, and you are simply talking out both sides of your mouth when you decry it. You should give up the "we think you're delusional because you imagine you are from Sweden". Any rational person (not you) can read the original thread on the JREF forum and see that we believe you are delusional, narcissistic, and an out and out fraud because you have proven repeatedly that you are, not because of that one post among many pages of posts. Also, sweetums, calling someone three times in one morning after they have specifically requested that you not do so - that's harassment. Look it up. If you think all your thousands of words on the Internet won't hurt your chances for a future job, think again. Employers look, Anita. They Google. I doubt any employer would hire you on a bet after reading just YOUR claims. As UY said, grow up. If you want to be treated like a "real person", then behave like a 26 year old human being, and not a prepubescent Jayne Mansfield slash star person playing fantasy land with her dollies. (Postcript: If you are going to reorganize your website, I have three words for you, Anita: Consistent. Font. Size. Give it a try.) | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 20 Jun 2009 01:29 AM |
| I'm chiming in here in case Anita is going to read this page. DG is right Anita, there are internet archives, such as the Way Back Machine, that archive even defunct websites. Your star person claims and others that you spout can, in the future, be accessed by any employer that may consider hiring you. You need to take a step back and consider that you may be sabotaging your future. And for what? Attention? Self aggrandizement? Please, use logic, and think about these things. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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| Ashles
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| | 22 Jun 2009 08:01 PM |
| I believe it is entirely objective to call her a liar regarding the living without water claim. Do something that might cause her medical injury? That might damage her complexion? Fat chance. Anita, if you read this, I have absolutely zero doubt that if you say you went 8 days without any solid or liquid nutrition whatsoever, including even water, you are absolutely lying. You have already been demonstrated to be a liar about so many other thing, why is this ridiculous claim of yours special?
Your trouble is that there is no paranormal claim you don't want to jump on in order to bolster this disturbing obsession you have with trying to feel 'special' in some way. You really need to sort that out - it's only going to get worse. | | | |
| desertgal
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| | 23 Jun 2009 02:49 AM |
| Anita, I'll tell you what. If you can present documented proof, that both I and another person can verify independently, of you having gone without food and water on three separate occasions of seven, seven, and eight days. prior to the date of your claim on the JREF, I will give you $10,000. Seriously.
We all know, and you know as well, that the only time even the thought of going without food and water for a long period crossed your mind was when you posted it on the JREF. I'm betting hard cash on that, and I know that money will never leave my bank account. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| desertgal
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| | 18 Jul 2009 05:45 AM |
| In response to the above, I received the following:
"The first time I did this, I think I was 17. I am 26 now. I can't recall what ages I was for the other two. I only mentioned this since someone on the Forums had claimed that a human can only survive four days without water."
Not true: the poster on the JREF cited, five years ago, a rule of thumb about "four days without water, four weeks without food." It was not offered as a solid fact that no human being can survive more than four days without water. In resurrecting that five year old thread in order to gain attention with her own bogus claim, Anita twisted the statement of that prior poster.
"It is not something I speak of openly[even though she did speak of it openly], and I assure you I am not looking for attention to myself or to this topic."
True, she was looking for attention AND ten thousand dollars.
"Why we do this, is to spend some time in detachment from external distractions, which comes to include food and water. It also involves meditation, which is all about bringing the attention to oneself."
The bolded may be one of the few true statements Anita has made yet.
"The senses of perception are enhanced during that time, vision and hearing become much stronger. There is a sense of energy, lightness, fulfillment, consciousness and self-knowledge that just does not occur otherwise."
Yes, it does. It's called an adrenaline rush. Happens every time the mind senses danger-even danger stupidly self created by the person. Since these episodes never happened other than Anita's mind, we can assume she assimilated that knowledge somewhere. Probably from a movie, where she seems to get so many of her notions.
"What it is is not the same as simply "not eating". I have tried "simply not eating and drinking" and it does not produce the same results. If I simply don't eat and drink I will get hungry, will feel thirsty, will quickly within one day develop all the signs of needing and wanting to eat and drink, and of course would cancel it. However what this is, is a choice and a spiritual experience.. Call it fully placebo, if you will, and if that's what it is, but something happens. There is no sensation of thirst, no hunger, no feeling of need to eat or drink. The obvious signs of starvation and dehydration that are very apparent if simply "not eating/drinking" - are not there."
Call it plain delusional fantasy.
"So there is a difference."
No. There isn't, since it never happened. But, encouraging other people to publicly fantasize that they did something when they actually didn't isn't a good thing, either.
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| Christa
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| | 24 Jul 2009 10:33 AM |
| Here's a fascinating Australian 60 Minutes video about someone very Anita-like, doing something very Anita-like:
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=50768
The segment involves Jasmuheen, an Australian Breatharian who claims she lives on prana and doesn't need food or water.
60 Minutes locks her up in a hotel room with security guards and cameras to ensure she doesn't eat or drink, and a doctor monitors her every day.
What happens next will not shock you. Really worth watching.
I wish someone had stopped her when she was just a batty, unknown Australian housewife, and I'm sure the relatives of the 3 people whose recent deaths have been blamed on her philosophy feel the same way. You cannot put these genies back in the bottle.
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| | 24 Jul 2009 10:39 PM |
| That was a very interesting video, thanks Christa. Randi had mentioned at TAM 7 that a breatharian volunteered to be locked in a motel room to prove he wouldn't eat. Randi and his people watched him go across the parking lot and order a bunch of Buger King hamburgers. When he was back in his room they knocked and he opened the door. The bag was sitting in plain view and the guy said he wasn't going to eat them just inhale the smell. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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| desertgal
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| | 26 Jul 2009 06:26 AM |
| The audio is out on my computer...what is said during the video? | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 26 Jul 2009 11:28 AM |
| The breatharian woman claims, the usual, that she doesn't eat or drink due to Prana and a spiritual connection to a saint and a bunch of dead gurus. She writes books and gives seminars. Their have been deaths linked to her books. One woman died of starvation and was found dead with one of her books beside her. She had written that it was the 7th. day without food or water. 60 Minutes TV program asks her to prove that she can do this and she agrees. They put her up in a hotel with a Dr. and 24/7 women guards to make sure she's not eating. By, I think, the third day she is dehydrated and her BP is low and pulse is fast. She claims it's because the hotel is in the city and the air is not clean so they move her to the country by the fourth day she had lost alot of weight and is very dehydrated, BP and heart rate are not good so,on the doctor's advice, they end the test. She claims it was all due to the bad air in the city. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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| desertgal
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| | 27 Jul 2009 03:46 AM |
| Thank you.
Dogged obtuseness: Is it a symptom of mental illness, or a result? We've certainly seen plenty of it with Anita. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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