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16 Jul 2009 03:58 AM  
Yes...that was about the point 50 skeptics stopped, looked more closely at their monitors, and said a collective "Whaa....?"

It's just so indisputably, unequivocally delusional.
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11 Aug 2009 10:13 AM  


The Claims – She’s a Star Person


Introduction

Anita (Vision from Feeling) has claimed that she is either a reincarnation of the white dwarf star Arcturus  or the star itself.  Her claim may have been subtly amended to being a reincarnation of a neighbouring white dwarf. 

The first mention of Anita’s off-world origins was on 12 December 2008, in what has become known as the VfF #1 thread at the JREF Forums.

For some context, this was after a number of protocols had been attempted to test some of Anita’s earlier claims. These tests included the cereal tests, and attempts to read health information from photographs posted online.

The tests weren’t producing any useful data and Anita was trying to shift the focus onto her medical diagnose [sic] with live subjects.

Many questions at this stage were in regard to the nature of what medical conditions Anita could detect and vasectomies dominated the discussion for a time.


Excerpts and Commentary from VfF Thread #1

As can be seen from the heading of the first quotation, this post was not in response to anything in particular, but posted by Anita as “News”. She later posted in this way as a method of bumping her threads, but on this occasion, a number of other posters were active at the same time, so the following was something of a non sequitur.

Post #406

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

News:

For some reason I was starting to lean toward finding other discussion sites.   

I tried to join The Skeptics Guide to the Universe Forum at http://skepchick.org/skepticsguide/ but believe it or not they ask "Are you human?" and you have to answer "Yes" in order to register, so I couldn't do that and asked myself where is an extraterrestrial incarnation from a white dwarf star near Arcturus supposed to go and luckily Randi welcomes the opinions of all forms of life

[non-relevant content redacted]

Note that Anita describes herself as an extraterrestrial incarnation from a white dwarf star nearArcturus.   Some have thought that Anita’s claim was to be Arcturus  itself, and the matter subsequently became more confused, perhaps lacking clarification from Anita herself.

Anita's choice of emoticon for this post (as it appears above), is perhaps indicative of the way in which she was beginning to see herself.

This post was unremarked upon by the posters taking part at the time, who mainly continued to discuss Anita’s ability to read photographs and the material on the Observations Page of her web site.   The first person to refer to it was Ducky, on 13 December 2008, who describes the incidents surrounding Anita’s registration at the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe forums (SGU).

Post #433

Originally posted by Ducky

(Note: Just so there isn't any confusion, all discussion of being administrator of a forum has nothing to do with the JREF forums. This is specifically discussing the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe forums.)

I fear either this forum is feeding a very ingenious troll, or someone who is not all there.

I am to the SGU podcast's forums as Terry is to this forum (that is to say, I am the technical admininistrator.) All of the emails to sguadmin@theforum go to both me and the social-policy admin (Beleth.) I woke up today to the following exchange:

(from the newly registered user VisionFromFeeling)

I will kindly decline joining your skeptics forum since you do not welcome persons who believe that they have connections with other planets. I have come to understand myself as a reincarnation from a white dwarf star near Arcturus, and you force new members to answer "yes" to being human. As ridiculous as that sounds, especially to skeptics, it makes more sense to me than any other description of myself.

Please do not add me as a new member on your site.

Kind regards,
(name withheld)

To which Beleth replied:

Hi,

I feel that I owe you an explanation as to why we ask that question.

Internet forums like the SGU's are constantly plagued by automated systems trying to register accounts so that they can post unwanted advertisements. There are a few well-regarded methods for thwarting such attempts. One is the random-letter graphic which is easy for an intelligent responder to read but is difficult for an automated process. Another is a random but easy question which the user has to answer. We have decided to use both these methods.

The question is not designed to discriminate against non-human intelligence; it is designed to weed out attempts to post spam to our board. As a considerable majority of the intelligences who apply for membership are human, it seemed reasonable to have our question be "Are you human?". No offense should be implied by this question. We welcome intelligent, civil discussion from all sources.

I see that you have answered "Yes" to this question despite your actual origin, so I am going to approve your application. Feel free to join us, or not, as you wish. All I ask is that you don't take our nominal attempt at security as a personal insult.

Regards,
Beleth
Administrator, The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe Forum

I got Beleth's reply just as I was crafting this one myself which I didn't send as Beleth had addressed the issue much more eloquently and diplomatically:

You're human, you answered yes to the question. Now we are at an impasse because either you lied to register your account or you're trying to screw with me. Since your email is polite I rule out that you are actually a white-dwarf star. Everyone knows that those are the frat-boys of the universe. They pee in your closet when too drunk, try to sleep with your sister, and end up drunkenly shouting obscenities at cops as you try to drive or walk them home. Since I don't see in your email (or your thread at the JREF) any moment where you slam a beer bong, light a fart and scream an affirmation of all that is awesome of the party I don't believe you actually are one.

This leaves two possibilities: Either you are human or you are a very deviously programmed AI spam bot. Given how polite your email is, and how quickly and swiftly you reply to posts on the JREF forum, I am not convinced you are human, meaning you lied in the registration process for this forum. I further think you cannot possibly be human as any human would have been peeing themselves with laughter at the thought of acting in the way you have so far.

Now, I am open to White Dwarf Stars on the forums. If this is indeed the case send me pictures of your most recent party and I will be convinced. That is, if you send me pictures that are convincing I will be convinced. None of this knitting doilies and watching NCIS type parties. I want to see crotch grabbing, puking on the floor, self-urination and faux girls-gone-wild contests ending in fistfights and insults of others being latent-homosexuals. If it is a truly epic party there will be pics of an excursion to spread poop on a neighboring fraternity's front door.

Anything less than an epic drunken frat party picture series means you're AI spambot and banned.

I'm not joking. Send me pics or I ****ing ban you.

Yours,

Ducky, Technical Administrator.

I'm not sure which would have been better to send. I think Beleth was much more charitable than I, but that is why he's the administrator of the moderation team and I don't deal with the public. Seriously anyone who answers yes to being human to register for a forum then emails the admins and complains that they are a white dwarf star and you're discriminating against them is either not all there or completely screwing around.


Cheers.

Anita’s first line in this exchange is revealing:

“I will kindly decline joining your skeptics forum since you do not welcome persons who believe that they have connections with other planets.”

Anita firstly appears to have misunderstood the purpose of the question, which is unusual for anyone with internet experience, and secondly, she doesn’t appear to understand that a skeptical group would be the last place where a person who held such beliefs would be accepted without question.

Also note that “having connections with other planets” replaces “being a white dwarf star” in this instance.

Regardless of this hurdle, it appears that Anita decided eventually to “lie” about her origins anyway, and answered Yes to the human question. Her registration was subsequently approved.

The very next post in the JREFF thread after the one quoted above, and made three minutes later, was headed “Moving On . . .”. It was a long description of progress made with the Independent Investigations Group (IIG), the Winston Salem Skeptics group of the Forsyth Area Critical Thinkers (FACT) and the UK Skeptics. The post contained no references to Ducky’s post. immediately preceding it. Ducky may have noticed this too, and made the following post two hours later:

Post #436
Originally posted by Ducky

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

News:

For some reason I was starting to lean toward finding other discussion sites.   

I tried to join The Skeptics Guide to the Universe Forum at http://skepchick.org/skepticsguide/ but believe it or not they ask "Are you human?" and you have to answer "Yes" in order to register, so I couldn't do that and asked myself where is an extraterrestrial incarnation from a white dwarf star near Arcturus supposed to go and luckily Randi welcomes the opinions of all forms of life.


Let's correct some misinformation here. Hi, I am one of the admins at the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe Forum. You answered yes to the "Are you human" question. I know this because had you not the registration process would have aborted. It did not abort, and your account was approved for permission to post. THEN you emailed us the fantastical pile of crap I quoted earlier. So, the fact of the matter is you did register, you did answer yes, and then you emailed us some nonsense about being from another star system as a retraction of your registration. Also, you registered at SGU on Dec 11th, 2008 - well after you've run a thread here at JREF for 11 pages (this thread starts on Nov 5th.) So no, you did not try to register with us first, and I have the logs to prove it. This makes me think you are being less than forthcoming with your attempts to discuss whatever it is you're trying to claim here in this thread.

And an answer came directed, in a writing unexpected:

Post #439


Originally posted by Vision from Feeling

Beleth, Ducky and the SGU:

Thank you Beleth for explaining the purpose of the Are you human? question as a measure against spamming. Ducky, as you should know white dwarf stars are among the oldest and highest evolved among the conscious inhabitants of the universe and do not fit with your random description, although I am sure you intended this as a joke


Originally Posted by Ducky

So, the fact of the matter is you did register, you did answer yes, and then you emailed us some nonsense about being from another star system as a retraction of your registration.
I answered yes to the question to find out if that was what it was asking for, and, assuming that I'd not be welcome I decided to ask that you withdraw my request for registration. Respect the feelings of other people, arguing against how people understand themselves is like arguing against the emotions people experience. It's just one of those things that are personal that each is entitled to in their own way.


Originally Posted by Ducky

Also, you registered at SGU on Dec 11th, 2008 - well after you've run a thread here at JREF for 11 pages (this thread starts on Nov 5th.) So no, you did not try to register with us first, and I have the logs to prove it.

This makes me think you are being less than forthcoming with your attempts to discuss whatever it is you're trying to claim here in this thread.

Yet again another skeptic says something that is totally untrue and speaks too soon, but I have grown tolerant to this behavior. Nowhere did I state that I would have supposedly tried to join SGU before joining the JREF! I was saying that I was considering finding other forums! Skeptics so often here misunderstand what I have said and done, and without first letting me explain what was really going on, they conclude some garbage and throw it at me. Skeptics are a special bunch for sure and quick to judge. But I love you guys.

Senex:

Originally Posted by Senex

Hey, hey, hey. Slow down there Ducky. After reading Beleth's brilliant considered response I would have hoped working with someone as articulate as him would have worn off a little bit on you. VFF just has a sense of humor you don't understand.

(How am I doing VFF?)  
I was being quite sincere. Let's just move on to the objective of this thread. Let me go see what the British skeptics have concluded.

Most people at this point would perhaps have expected an explanation of attempted humour, or maybe language difficulties. What Ducky received was an expansion of the original claim and an admonishment for not taking it more seriously. This is followed by a half-platitude, half-tirade about Ducky’s ability to reconstruct the exact sequence of events and concluded with an apparent dismissal of the whole matter as not worth discussing.

Incredulity was lurking nearby, however, and desertgal posted a query. 

Post #441

Originally Posted by desertgal

You were being quite sincere about being a reincarnation from a white dwarf star near Arcturus?

Vision from Feeling made two posts in the hour-and-a-bit after the above post was made.   Both were addressing just-asked questions, and one was to desertgal herself.   Neither post responded to the Arcturus question, and in fact, desertgal's post never received a response.

This apparent dismissal of such an extraordinary claim was more than one lurker in the forum was prepared to ignore.

Post #445

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

When the level of guano-crazy reaches this level, it makes little difference whether you're sincerely self-deluded or an obsessive troll. Either behaviour is indicative of something being not-quite-right. There may be other explanations, of course, but it's unlikely that any explanation will serve to regain your missing credibilty.

I would suggest a return to Arcturus may be your only hope of saving face at this point. Please call in and say hello to the Aten on your way home. And don't forget to write!

Inviting her to write displayed poor judgement, if I may be permitted to editorialise here for a moment.

Discussion at this point was becoming centred around what was evolving as Anita's Main Claim™ of health perceptions in live subjects, and most posters' attention was being to devoted to early attempts at establishing a protocol to test this ability.

In one such post, Kuko 4000 asked the following question:

Post #450

Originally Posted by Kuko 4000

Anita, I just want to make sure, are you serious about not being a human? Or about you understanding yourself as something other than human? No disrespect or anything meant, just out of curiosity and to form a better idea of what you think

[non-relevant content redacted]

It seems that others, such as Pup, were becoming curious as well.

Post #451

Originally Posted by Pup

Originally Posted by desertgal

You were being quite sincere about being a reincarnation from a white dwarf star near Arcturus?

Uh, yeah, I wondered about that too. I have a wacky sense of dry humor when I'm face-to-face with folks too, but for credibility's sake, Anita, could you explain that without the humor? Because that really doesn't sound any less strange than the abilities you've described on this thread, that you do expect us to take seriously.

I know it might be theoretically true in the sense that "we're all made of star-stuff," but you're not really serious about having an origin different from other humans, are you?

The psychic powers are increasing in the thread.    Desertgal responds to Pup:

Post #453

Originally Posted by desertgal

I predict that Anita isn't going to answer that question.

Skeen weighs in:

Post #457

Originally Posted by skeen

Oh for goodness sake! You're the reincarnation of a star now? And other than vibrations, we're now bringing quantum physics along with us? You people are all the same!

VFF, you are delusional at best. How Randi has been able to cope with this mind bendingly utter nonsense all these years is beyond me; I think it is he who has the supernatural ability!

12 hours pass.   Anita is at this stage creating Wall o' Text™ posts in response to multiple posters, mostly without benefit of using the quote function.   The real-time discussion at this point is mainly between between VfF and Unca Yimmy and deals with her anectotal "evidence" and her failure to read health information from posted photographs.

Amidst this, however, Anita took the time to respond to the above queries by Kuko 4000 and Pup.    No responses were directed to Ducky, desertgal, Akhenaten or skeen, each of whom had also enquired about the matter.

Post #472

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

Kuko 4000:

We will leave it as a mystery.

Pup:

We will leave it as a mystery.

[non-relevant content redacted]

The above was posted on 14 Dec 2008.   Other events on this day include Anita's first Facebook conversation with Unca Yimmy, and the introduction by the poster Akhenaten of this avatar on the JREF Forum.


The poster thought it was funny enough at the time, but Anita's later response to it was even better, as we shall see.

Akhenaten has a curiosity about this that borders on obsession.

Post #476

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

[non-relevant content redacted]

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

Your assumption that I enjoy the attention is incorrect and unfounded, what I feel is concern toward my career and the discussions here are often uncomfortable and hostile as opposed to enjoyable.

The Wall o' Text™ posts are hardly the mark of someone who shuns attention. Neither are the outrageous claims.

The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise. People from other stars who have x-ray vision tend to upset our sense of reality. Maybe we react out of fear.

[non-relevant content redacted]

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

I am doing all I can, although modestly so because I deal carefully with this provocative subject.

Introducing the Arcturus thing wasn't very careful. Avoiding the subject now, as you are, is certainly careful, but it's awfully obvious. Puss has escaped the sack

[non-relevant content redacted]

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

My belief is therefore to have a paranormal investigation. I don't think it is misguided to believe so.

Is that Arcturan? It sure isn't English.


BTW. Are there going to be pyramids in this story? I like pyramids.
Smartass desperately seeking answer.   Typical Pharaonic behaviour.

Post #478
Originally Posted by desertgal
Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

Pup:

We will leave it as a mystery.

Told ya. It makes no difference, though. That it came up at all, in the context that it did, answers the question. No mystery there.

[non-relevant content redacted]
Smartass #2 gives up too easily.  

Skeen, however, is lucky enough to be deigned a reply:

Post #485
Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

skeen:
Originally Posted by skeen

Oh for goodness sake! You're the reincarnation of a star now?  And other than vibrations, we're now bringing quantum physics along with us?  You people are all the same!

Do not trash quantum physics.   Study it, you might love it.

[3m² of non-relevant content redacted]

Clumsiest.   Sidestep.   Ever.

It may be illustrative, tangentially, to include another excerpt from the same post.

Post #485

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

nathan:
Originally Posted by nathan

Yes, this thread was interesting, but has now regressed to the woo mean.

We haven't even gotten to what my claim actually is.


No further mention of Arcturus  was made until Post #491.   In fact, no mention was made of it there either, which is the point of the next two excerpts.

The first quote is from Anita's line-by-line response to an earlier post by Akhenaten.  Her answers to each point have been redacted, so that only Akhenaten's words remain.  Neither they nor the remaining text are germaine to Arcturus, but serve merely to demonstrate what has been done to the original post. 

Post #491

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

The only reason that your past experiences have failed to dismiss the possibility of extrasensory perception is that you totally lack any objectivity about your hallucinations.

So your answer to criticism of anecdotal evidence is to offer more anecdotes?

We can conclude that the source of your "perceptions" is your self-delusion. There is ample evidence for this, and only one person here is unable to see it.

What's this dichotomy all about? You keep referring to "either" possibility as though there are only two. Whatever your choices are, I'll bet I can think of others.

If your "ability" was real then your career of choice is redundant. If it's not, you'd better switch to an Arts degree. Scientific inquiry does not appear to be your forte.

The Wall o' Text™ posts are hardly the mark of someone who shuns attention. Neither are the outrageous claims.

The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise.

If you truly think you can perceive the things that you say you do, then wanting to find the origin of these hallucinations is a good thing. Attempting to establish their accuracy is like trying to establish the health benefits of having Cholera.

You may have, but we aren't privvy to them. That's the trouble with anecdotes.

That's not what you said when you were offering to do the tests here that you failed so dismally.

There are many people already participating. Remember us? You've already done real tests, and obtained real results. You failed. Remember?

I have done what I can in terms of simple tests on my own and have failed to dismiss the possibility of invisible pink unicorns.

I see no failures here. Your investigations have revealed a great deal.

And we aren't all frustrated and impatient.

You do not have x-ray vision. You cannot see inside bodies. Your descriptions are made up. You have no idea whether your information is accurate.

These are misguided beliefs, and we see them, whether you do or not.


BTW. Are there going to be pyramids in this story? I like pyramids.

Now the response version.    The red text indicates words which have been completely removed in Anita's response as shown above.

Post #476

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

The only reason that your past experiences have failed to dismiss the possibility of extrasensory perception is that you totally lack any objectivity about your hallucinations.

So your answer to criticism of anecdotal evidence is to offer more anecdotes? Good luck with that.

We can conclude that the source of your "perceptions" is your self-delusion. There is ample evidence for this, and only one person here is unable to see it.

What's this dichotomy all about? You keep referring to "either" possibility as though there are only two. Whatever your choices are, I'll bet I can think of others.

When you started this thread, were you hoping that nobody was paying attention?

If your "ability" was real then your career of choice is redundant. If it's not, you'd better switch to an Arts degree. Scientific inquiry does not appear to be your forte.

The Wall o' Text™ posts are hardly the mark of someone who shuns attention. Neither are the outrageous claims.

The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise. People from other stars who have x-ray vision tend to upset our sense of reality. Maybe we react out of fear.

If you truly think you can perceive the things that you say you do, then wanting to find the origin of these hallucinations is a good thing. Attempting to establish their accuracy is like trying to establish the health benefits of having Cholera.

You may have, but we aren't privvy to them. That's the trouble with anecdotes

That's not what you said when you were offering to do the tests here that you failed so dismally.

This is a good thing. You definitely need to get some tests done.

There are many people already participating. Remember us? You've already done real tests, and obtained real results. You failed. Remember?

Introducing the Arcturus thing wasn't very careful. Avoiding the subject now, as you are, is certainly careful, but it's awfully obvious. Puss has escaped the sack.

I have done what I can in terms of simple tests on my own and have failed to dismiss the possibility of invisible pink unicorns.

I see no failures here. Your investigations have revealed a great deal.

And we aren't all frustrated and impatient.There's only one stakeholder in this, and we aren't her.

You do not have x-ray vision. You cannot see inside bodies. Your descriptions are made up. You have no idea whether your information is accurate.

These are misguided beliefs, and we see them, whether you do or not.

Is that Arcturan? It sure isn't English.


BTW. Are there going to be pyramids in this story? I like pyramids.


This is how Anita provides those long and seemingly detailed responses which actually say nothing at all as far as a questioner is concerned.     It's often difficult for a poster to notice that his words have actually been edited, particularly when the respondent doing it refuses to use the quote function which would provide a convenient link to the originating post.

Few would consider it likely that such editions could have occurred acidentally, and Akhenaten, who was shortly to call Anita out on this behaviour is not among them. 

viz.

Post #495

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

This is your response to one part of my post:

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling
Originally Posted by Akhenaten

The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise.

I expected a little more from you guys.


This is what I actually posted:

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise. People from other stars who have x-ray vision tend to upset our sense of reality. Maybe we react out of fear.


Better people than you have attempted to erase the words of Pharaoh. I find your snippage here to be evasive to the point of dishonesty.


Post #499

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

Akhenaten:

This one's starting to act a little grumpy... Charging at things where there isn't even a problem.

We shall see, Anita, however, I must point out that Akhenaten is an old bull, and charging isn't his style.  He will get around to you eventually.


Post #503

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

Akhenaten:

Please focus on what my claim here actually is. Personal attacks against me as a person is not what this Forum should be intended for.

Regardless of that disingenuous attempt at deflection, this forum, Stop Vision From Feeling.com, is likely to be a headache, non?


Our story continues . . .

At this stage, the JREF Forum was mainly concerning itself with narrowing down Anita's medical perception claims. A revised list of potentially detectable ailments had been sent to IIG West and Anita was in love with Locknar.

Akhenaten was just plain being a bitch.

Post #513

Originally Posted by Akhenaten
Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

Akhenaten:


Please focus on what my claim here actually is. Personal attacks against me as a person is not what this Forum should be intended for.


Let's have another look at my most recent post, shall we?

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

This is your response to one part of my post:

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise.
Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

I expected a little more from you guys.


This is what I actually posted:

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise. People from other stars who have x-ray vision tend to upset our sense of reality. Maybe we react out of fear.

Better people than you have attempted to erase the words of Pharaoh. I find your snippage here to be evasive to the point of dishonesty.

This is not a personal attack. You very selectively quoted something I said so as to competely change its intent.

I find this evasive to the point of dishonesty.

Please address this point specifically in your next response.

That was a nightmare to format, and probably just as difficult to follow.   The upshot of it is that Anita was excising Akhenaten's queries about Arcturus  from her responses and then refusing to answer questions about that  issue because she deemed them to be a personal attack.

30 hours pass.   It's 16 December, 2008 and the forum discusses vasectomies, statistics and blindfolds.

Anita types . . . lots.

Post #554

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

Akhenaten:

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

This is not a personal attack. You very selectively quoted something I said so as to competely change its intent.

I find this evasive to the point of dishonesty.

Well I take excerpts from your posts to emphasize what part of it I am addressing. I am sorry if we are in disagreement.

[billions and billions of non-relevant words redacted]

Are you?   Probably sorrier now, I'd wager.

17 December, 2008.   Vasectomies still under discussion.   Dissent among skeptics.

Post #592

Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

Diogenes:

Originally Posted by Diogenes

Claiming you can observe atomic structures (at the atomic level) with the human senses, is neither reasonable or scientific.

Well perhaps then it is an Arcturian sense.

[non-relevant content redacted]

Anita did not post for almost a week.   Discussions in her absence included vasectomies, screens, gender detection, Anita's double degree, cold reading, a visit to the IIG West, and the Upcoming Study™.

Two Arcturus  references were made on 19 Dec, 2008.

Post # 645

Originally Posted by Ducky

Stop bringing logic and reason into it. This is obviously a thread meant to be candyland to the incarnations from white-dwarf stars seeking attention. As such, you should pander accordingly. Let's all put on our silly hats.
Post #672

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

So, what's the latest from Arcturus? It's gone a bit quiet here.


Anita's return to the thread was marked with a series of massive posts in which, line-by-line, she answered almost  every point which had been raised during her absence.

At the end of this onslaught, on 23 December, 2008 the following appeared:

Post #776


Originally Posted by Vision from Feeling

[non-relevant content redacted]


   I'm so happy because I have finally caught up with my posts on this thread. I can finally tell you all about Thursday's meeting with the skeptics group, and all about my planned study. But I have to work fast because before I know it I'll be swamped with inaccurate assumptions that I have to respond to all over again.

   Now I'm crying because I realize that the thread has reached a point where I now have to start skipping questions and comments in order to keep up, and that is when I will become accused of selectively avoiding questions or for having something to hide, which won't be true at all! The times of when I've replied to every single comment might have come to an end.
my bolding

It appears that Arcturus comments were exempted from the "Must Reply To" list.


To be continued, eventually . . .

The moving finger writes and having writ, moves on. Nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line. Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it. - from The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, who really should have read the FAQ and learned about the Edit function.
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11 Aug 2009 04:03 PM  
Akhenaten,

Awesome post. Thanks for the work you put in on that!
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Well done, Dave.
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12 Aug 2009 12:33 AM  
Very well done.
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12 Aug 2009 10:12 AM  
I quote this in full from Vff on the 16th july as its probably the most she has opened up about her star person err stuff..

"This is a subject that is very personal and private to me, we are discussing the very fabric of my identity and I am not so sure I want to submit that to the JREF Forum Skeptics chopping block. As a Star Person, I relate to most of the emotions and conflicts that transgender people experience, as, in a sense, it is being a person that is not the same as what the body is. There are many parallels. One does not agree that the face and body is what one really looks like as a person, and one will want to make alterations to the body in order to look more on the outside as one does on the inside. Growing up one is told who they are, that is based on what others see when they look at you, and what they want to see, yet much of it strongly contradicts with who you are and you oppose it. The most classic aspect of this is that all my life I have insisted that I was an old person, I did not have a number for this but I used to say that I was 300 years old or 400 years old. I still feel that way, but I do not say it. I still can not relate to younger persons or persons my age, and all of my friends are much older than me. I am 26 and my boyfriend is 69, and "there is no age difference".

I have many times in my life wished that I wasn't this way, but it's the person I am and it is non-detachable. I can not be replaced by being someone else. There is so much more to this story but I hesitate to bring out the most intimate and precious aspects of my life here to be handled in the way that most of the topics introduced here are.

The "story" that goes with being a Star Person does not to me involve having any different DNA. The thought is that it involves the incarnation of a person from another world, but please let's not talk about that. Just accept that I am what you call a Star Person, and it is not a mental illness, it is me. And there have been things that suggest evidence that this is more than the artifact of a human mind. "

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12 Aug 2009 10:17 AM  
On one hand she admits its just an identity thing and not that important but then leaves the big kicker at the end

"And there have been things that suggest evidence that this is more than the artifact of a human mind. "

err no , no evidence as usual babycakes...

I wondered if the boyfriend was a flight of fantasy as well I just couldn't imagine the guy that would date this mad cow and then finally the 69 yr old grandad appears and it just all makes sense once again

props to the pharoah , great post champ....


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12 Aug 2009 10:21 AM  
Remember, McLuvin, she's the cradle robber because she feels like she's several hundred years old. BTW, it's not just boyfriend, it's fiance.
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12 Aug 2009 10:05 PM  
My husband is 23 years older then I, we've been married 33 years. Maybe I'm a Star Person!!!!....yeah right.
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02 Oct 2009 01:59 AM  

Selected quotes about this star person stuff:

[9/29/2009 9:22:22 PM] Anita Ikonen: I guess it does. But it's just me. Ha ha, I told one of my professors that I'm a Star Person and he said that he thought it was strange.
[9/29/2009 9:22:24 PM] Anita Ikonen: Heh.
[9/29/2009 9:22:43 PM] Anita Ikonen: But it's just a cultural artifact and a personality characteristic.
[9/29/2009 9:23:16 PM] Anita Ikonen: It's a lifestyle and an identity.
[9/29/2009 9:23:30 PM] Anita Ikonen: I've seen hundreds of UFO's...
[9/29/2009 9:24:25 PM] Jim Carr: Cultural artifact? Do you even know the meaning of the word?
[9/29/2009 9:24:36 PM] Jim Carr: Phrase.

[9/29/2009 9:25:00 PM] Anita Ikonen: Artifact as in something constructed by humans. Cultural, as in the artifact of behavior and lifestyle as an adaptation to environmental conditions.
[9/29/2009 9:25:31 PM] Jim Carr: That's double-talk.
[9/29/2009 9:25:36 PM] Anita Ikonen: Ok.
[9/29/2009 9:26:22 PM] Jim Carr: A Victorian dress is cultural artifact.
[9/29/2009 9:26:36 PM] Anita Ikonen: Alright. But you know what I am trying to say.
[9/29/2009 9:26:44 PM] Jim Carr: No, actually I don't.
[9/29/2009 9:26:51 PM] Anita Ikonen: I am entitled to Swedish type-o's.
[9/29/2009 9:26:52 PM] Jim Carr: Are you or are you not an alien?
[9/29/2009 9:26:57 PM] Anita Ikonen: Gee...
[9/29/2009 9:27:17 PM] Jim Carr: Are you 100% human?
[9/29/2009 9:27:21 PM] Anita Ikonen: If I were, it isn't something I could tell you.
[9/29/2009 9:27:36 PM] Anita Ikonen: 100% human + 80% Arcturian superposition.
[9/29/2009 9:27:51 PM] Jim Carr: More pseudoscientific double-talk.
[9/29/2009 9:27:52 PM] Jim Carr: You'
[9/29/2009 9:28:01 PM] Jim Carr: are never going to get a decent job.

[9/29/2009 9:28:28 PM] Anita Ikonen: I consider it my civil rights to be what a Star Person is.
[9/29/2009 9:28:47 PM] Anita Ikonen: It is my identity.
[9/29/2009 9:28:50 PM] Anita Ikonen: Not by choice.
[9/29/2009 9:29:18 PM] Jim Carr: LOL! That's just so stupid. Really, it is.
[9/29/2009 9:29:23 PM] Anita Ikonen: Stop that.
[9/29/2009 9:29:30 PM] Jim Carr: Stop what?
[9/29/2009 9:29:39 PM] Anita Ikonen: You know about transgender persons? It's similar to that, only not regarding to gender.
[9/29/2009 9:29:53 PM] Anita Ikonen: It's like when there is a person that is different from what the body is.
[9/29/2009 9:30:16 PM] Jim Carr: No, it's nothing like that. Male and female are known to exist. You think you're something that is not known to exist. That's nuts.
[9/29/2009 9:30:31 PM] Jim Carr: Gender confusion is not unexpected.

[9/29/2009 9:30:35 PM] Anita Ikonen: Doesn't matter. It's what my identity is.
[9/29/2009 9:30:42 PM] Anita Ikonen: At least I don't have gender confusion.
[9/29/2009 9:31:03 PM] Anita Ikonen: Transgender persons don't have gender confusion. They know fully well that they are a gender that is different from what the body is.
[9/29/2009 9:31:13 PM] Jim Carr: No, your identity is Anita Ikonen, Swedish born child of Finnish parents.
[9/29/2009 9:31:24 PM] Anita Ikonen: God, you keep track!
[9/29/2009 9:31:44 PM] Anita Ikonen: ... Are you going to write a book about me?

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02 Oct 2009 06:17 AM  

Like all of VFF delusions this is cobbled together from various pre-fab woo.

Although, something about the wording is giving me deja vu.  One of my mom's psychics used to follow some starchild woo-master.  But he turned out to be anti-Semitic and maybe a flat-earther (Can't quite remember).   In any case, it made the psychic very sad and she had to come up with her own, newer, less bigoted starchild philosophy.

Hmmm...if I could remember anything else, I'd try to track this guy down.

 

 

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The more I read, the more I'm in awe.
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07 Oct 2009 01:10 AM  
[9/29/2009 9:31:44 PM] Anita Ikonen: ... Are you going to write a book about me?


This could be very telling as well. Not the book, the question.

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07 Oct 2009 05:34 AM  
Narcissus has "joked" about the book a few times since then.
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07 Oct 2009 04:05 PM  
Posted By UncaYimmy on 06 Oct 2009 09:34 PM
Narcissus has "joked" about the book a few times since then.

Chapter One

Anita Ikonen, aka "VisionFromFeeling" is a delusional, narcissistic fraud.

The End

There's your book, Ophelia.

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11 Nov 2009 02:36 PM  

Wardenclyffe, on the JREF forum, posted the following:

OK. This might need its own thread. Then again, it might be nothing. It's also possible it's been discussed before, but I don't remember it and my searches have been unproductive.

So, I'm watching the E! Channel (I know), and they are running a documentary about cults. The entire transcript seems to be here:
http://www.livedash.com/transcript/t...17_2009/69169/

Anyway, one of the cults they covered was called "Eternal Values." I would draw your attention to two quotes from the show:

01:54:36 [Freddy] Von Mierers claimed to have hand-selected members for "Eternal Values" based on his belief that they were from the same place as Freddy, the star Arcturus.

and

01:56:20 In 1989, Freddy moved "Eternal Values" to North Carolina.

Coincidence?

Ward

Anita's response:

I have never been so happy in my life as when I saw that documentary a year ago and found out that there was someone who felt the same way as I do about Arcturus, in fact most or all of how he was describing Arcturus was identical to how I describe it. I was excited to find out that he was in North Carolina, and then, I have never cried so much in my life as when I found out that he had passed away. Just a personal anecdote.

Interestingly, after Anita responded, Pakeha posted the following text, from this source...

Von Mierers claimed he was an “alien from the star Arcturus,” the reincarnation ofthe prophet Jeremiah. “I’m here to train the leaders of the New Age,” he told writer Marie Brenner.“Everyone I am training for leadership will have perfect features. I believe in the master race!”Von Mierers saved his followers from the coming Millennium Armageddon, and made millions,by “prescribing gemstones” having mystical powers which he sold for many times their worth usingphony appraisals. Lynn Wyatt bought $70,000 worth, “to ward off evil.” Some of those he dupedbecame wise to his game and those “Satanic defectors,” as he called them, went to the police. Brennerexposed the cult in a March, 1990, Vanity Fair article, “East Side Alien.” Douglas Wyatt, shamed,went into hiding. Von Mierers died of AIDS in 1990 while under investigation by the Manhattan district attorney’s office.

...abd added this comment:

A reincarnation of the prophet Jeremiah who 'walked in' from Arcturus, believed in the master race, ripped off the unwary with 'special' gemstones and died before VFF was 10.
Right.

Interesting, and revealing in ways that Anita probably didn't intend.

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14 Nov 2009 03:59 PM  

Anita is still clinging to her ridiculous 'cultural artifact' explanation, I see.

Being a Star Person from Arcturus is not a paranormal claim. It is a personality characteristic and a cultural artifact.

On a side note, I thought she was oh so busy with school? She's certainly been active on the JREF recently. Must have gotten desperate for an attention fix.

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14 Nov 2009 07:39 PM  

Just taking a break from studies over the weekend. I'm about to start again. I have a lab report to write and three exams next week. Just catching up with the correspondence, because next weekend is the IIG Preliminary.

She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment.
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14 Nov 2009 07:46 PM  
And you have to get in that attention fix, too.
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