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| Anita claimed on the JREF forums that she was, in fact, a star person. From Arcturus. Some of us thought she was just playing around. Turns out she's serious. Check this out:
Ashtar Command Starseeds
Note: Since I originally posted this, they have made the Meetup group private, so you can't see her profile. Here's a link to the description of the group as quoted below: The new Board on Yahoo will be extraordinary, full of Love, Light and Empowerment! The Board will address important issues pertaining to our roles as Starseeds and Commanders of the Ashtar Command, as well as keep us up-to-date with Planetary Awareness news, information on spiritual edification, survival, workshops and meetings and events in your area. The time has come to step up to the plate. The birthing of a New Age is in our hands. It is a massive "Group" effort. No one should be sitting at the sidelines during these important times. We need to stay focused and on task. Those that are not unveiled must become unveiled and those that are Awake must step up their game. We are the volunteers! We are the best of the best! Meetups will bring everyone together. Special communication & instructions will be given, as well as discussions on Emergency Preparedness, Golden Cities, The Lift, New Communities. Please join us and let's make a difference. "We are the change we've been waiting for..." Gandhi
And here's a Wiki article on Ashtar Command:
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| | 04 Apr 2009 03:39 AM |
| I know this has been brought up on the JREF forum but what is she thinking? Future employers can easily find things like this even if the website no longer exisits. Does she think that her website, the Ashtar webbie, and the JREF forum can possiibly advance her future scientific career? These are not rhetorical questions, I really want to know if anyone has any insight into what she could possibly be thinking. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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Posted By Audible Click on 03 Apr 2009 07:39 PM
I know this has been brought up on the JREF forum but what is she thinking? Future employers can easily find things like this even if the website no longer exisits. Does she think that her website, the Ashtar webbie, and the JREF forum can possiibly advance her future scientific career? These are not rhetorical questions, I really want to know if anyone has any insight into what she could possibly be thinking.
Well, this is one of the reasons I think Anita may have a delusional
disorder. Mind, I can only speak from my own experience in being inside
a disorder, but I do see so much behavior from Anita that is identical.
It's hard to explain, but I'll give it my best shot. Delusions,
left untreated, progress until they become 'reality' in the patient's
mind. They are as real to the patient as the sky is blue to you. It's
also very common for a delusional disorder to take root during a
difficult childhood, and the delusions themselves often develop in ways
to combat reality. For example, delusions of being extraordinary combat
self esteem issues; delusions of fame and/or popularity combat neglect
issues; delusions of omnipotence or power combat physical abuse. For
most disorders, with the exception of schizophrenia, the sufferer CAN
recognize reality and truth, but they essentially refuse to by
compartmentalizing. There is a certain duality to the behavior-they can
also compartmentalize the delusions to some extent when they need to
function in the real world. Think of it like background noise - in one
mode, reality is the noise, and in the other mode, the delusions take
their place. In her delusions, she is extraordinary. She is a star person. She does have the abilities she claims. She does see ghosts. In
Anita's case, and this would be expected if she does have a delusional
disorder, and it has gone untreated since her adolescence, the
delusions are escalating, and, in the mode where reality is
predominant, the background noise of the delusions is becoming louder
and harder to ignore. We've noticed, on the JREF, that she's said
several things which indicate that the delusions are interfering in her
real life, although she denies it. For one thing, she appears to be
perceiving real life events in the context of her delusions - such as
the "it's not ME, it's YOU" pattern. In the context of her delusions,
it CAN'T be her-she is extraordinary, superior, etc, etc. She said that
the university adminsitration refused to take her seriously when she
reported the meanie Professor, and to stop lying - an indication that
they may be aware of her problems. She also said that she told four
Professors about her "ability" - and they did nothing-which may
indicate that the professors are aware that Anita spins fantasies. That's
not to say that she isn't running a deliberate scam - or, at least, it
IS deliberate in the context of reality, but not in the context of her
delusions. She believes she is extraordinary - she deserves kudos,
applause, recognition. She may well be planning a career using her
'ability', but I don't think it's really about money as recognition and
attention. It's like the two sides of a coin: the "reality"
Anita is scheming, manipulative, dishonest; the "delusional" Anita is
just relating her world as she sees it. I did so many things
like this before I received treatment. I didn't consciously set out to
do it - it's not like you wake up in the morning and deliberately plan
how you are going to manipulate and lie to convince people you are
extraordinary. You do it in the context of the delusions. Which is why
so many of the things she says and does don't make sense or seem so
fantastic - because they aren't rooted in reality. Like posting on the
forums, or building her website-she's not thinking that it might affect
her future career, because, in her delusional reality, it won't. I
still cringe at the lies and manipulations I did to good people, and
the hurt I caused them - and it is nearly 30 years ago. If Anita
doesn't get help, she's headed for a very bad and lonely place to be.
You end up alienating everyone - people don't like to be played, and,
even if they understand that it's not deliberate, and there is
something wrong with your mind, the betrayal is still there, and the
loss of trust and respect is the same. Sorry, didn't mean to post a wall o'text, and I don't know if that's very clear-it's not an easy thing to describe. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 04 Apr 2009 05:38 AM |
| This was one wall of text I was glad to read. Thank you for explaining how Anita would have no concern for her future. I have never been so baffled by any of the JREF claiments as I am by her. Your explanation helped me see that perhaps she is delusional but I suppose she could be delusional and still be having us on. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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| | 04 Apr 2009 05:56 AM |
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Posted By Audible Click on 03 Apr 2009 09:38 PM
I suppose she could be delusional and still be having us on.
Oh, absolutely. It probably isn't consciously deliberate-truth and reality are shoved down into her subconscious. Most of us can control our fantasies-she can't. At least, not without help learning the tools she needs to put the brakes on hers. I should add that people usually don't fit the criteria for one disorder only. She may have characteristics and symptoms of more than one disorder, such as compulsive lying and/or narcissism. The bad thing is that, with most disorders of this kind, it takes aggressive intervention to get the person to seek help. They rarely do it on their own. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 04 Apr 2009 03:04 PM |
| Some notes about delusional disorder: Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated. Delusional symptoms can include: - Having odd beliefs or magical thinking (for example, being overly superstitious or thinking of themselves as psychic)
- Preoccupation with fantasies that focus on unlimited success, power, intelligence, beauty, or love
- Belief that he or she is “special” and unique, and can only be understood by other special people
- Arrogant behavior and/or attitude
People with delusional disorder often can continue to socialize and function normally, apart from the subject of their delusion, and generally do not behave in an obviously odd or bizarre manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who also might have delusions as a symptom of their disorder. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted. Grandiose delusional disorder:A person with this type of delusional disorder has an over-inflated sense of worth, power, knowledge, or identity. The person might believe he or she has a great talent or has made an important discovery. Egotism may coexist with delusions of one's own importance, at the denial of others. This conceit is a character trait describing a person who acts to gain values in an amount excessively greater than that which he/she gives to others. Egotism is often accomplished by exploiting the altruism, irrationality and ignorance of others, as well as utilizing coercive force and/or fraud. Source: Cleveland Clinic Dept. of Psychiatry and Psychology | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 04 Apr 2009 11:38 PM |
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Posted By Audible Click on 03 Apr 2009 07:39 PM
I know this has been brought up on the JREF forum but what is she thinking? Future employers can easily find things like this even if the website no longer exisits. Does she think that her website, the Ashtar webbie, and the JREF forum can possiibly advance her future scientific career? These are not rhetorical questions, I really want to know if anyone has any insight into what she could possibly be thinking.
Anita has told me more than once that she's not worried about this whole "star person" thing because, "if I lose ANY career opportunities because I am a Star Person, then I'd not want such a job anyway." | | UncaYimmy
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| | 09 Apr 2009 09:51 AM |
| Some selected Anita quotes on this subject... http://forums.randi.org/showthread....ost4265685I tried to join The Skeptics Guide to the Universe Forum at http://skepchick.org/skepticsguide/
but believe it or not they ask "Are you human?" and you have to answer
"Yes" in order to register, so I couldn't do that and asked myself
where is an extraterrestrial incarnation from a white dwarf star near
Arcturus supposed to go and luckily Randi welcomes the opinions of all
forms of life. As to the other things that I may have expressed here that stir up some
commotion among you. The reference to Arcturian heritage is not
something I have stated as evidence or fact. To consider oneself a Star
Person is a form of cultural identity, simply relating to interests and
personal characteristics that are mutually not that common, such as a
very caring and unselfish nature, interests in science, technology and
spirituality, and relating to a concept of self and the world that is
bigger than the current boundaries of our world. http://forums.randi.org/showthread....ost4313171As for my mention of Arcturian origins, there are many who feel that
the concept of "Star People" fits with how they understand themselves,
that it gives them a sense of identity that matches with their
feelings, thoughts, experiences, personality. And again, there is
nothing to be concerned of with this. If I didn't have this as part of
my life I wouldn't be here today. | | UncaYimmy
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| In this post in the 'StopVFF.com volunteers needed' thread Anita gives a bit more info ... To explain some of what Star People are like, you might like to see http://www.drboylan.com/starkididqstnr.html. I scored between 51 to 60 on the questions, 9 of which are unknown and relate to my early childhood and I would have to ask my mother about them, and 3 no, out of a total possible of 67. I get the impression she is proud of her score there. I'm pleased to say my personal score was zero. | | | |
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| Sadly no. I was tempted to give myself a point for 47. The child has an unusual eye iris color, or iris pattern, or pupil shape, or overall eye configuration in the head. = 1 ... but it was my cornea (kerataconus) and that didn't develop until my thirties.  | | | |
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| | 12 Jul 2009 05:47 AM |
| I have no idea what she was trying to prove by posting that link. I mean, basically we say, "If you think you're from outer space, you're nuts." In response she says, "Well, I took a web-based survey written by a guy who thinks he's from outer space, and my score indicates I, too, am likely to be from outer space."
If she really thinks she's an alien, then that explains why she keeps saying stuff like, "but that's what I perceive!" What kind of defense is that anyway?
Them: I see a pink elephant in my driveway!
Us: There is no such thing as a pink elephant, and you don't even have a driveway!
Them: But that's what I perceive!!!
Maybe it's normal for aliens to perceive things the rest of us cannot. Maybe she thinks it's normal to have not one special ability but literally dozens because she's not human. We keep looking at the Star Person thing as if its on the periphery. What if it's actually at the center? What if we look at the main delusion being that she's a superior being from space or hopes that she is. Wouldn't that explain just about everything? I'm gonna have to think on this... | | UncaYimmy
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| | 12 Jul 2009 06:11 AM |
| It might be more central to her behavior then we thought. I've noticed Anita will post in alien/ufo threads on JREF when she is absolutely silent on the threads devoted to her claims etc. Of course she might just want to post somewhere that she doesn't have to answer all our pesky questions. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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| | 12 Jul 2009 10:15 AM |
| Let's look at the first 10 questions from that test:
1. The child has a larger than average head for his/her age and height, especially in the front or top of the head. = 1
Half of all kids have heads larger than average. 2. The child has an average body temperature of below 97.6 F [36.4 C] degrees = 1
Who in the hell takes a child's temperature when they aren't sick? Normal body temps vary by time of day.
3. The child’s birth was notable for there being a strange presence or figure in the delivery room. or an aura (glow) noted around the child or their crib. = 2
Hallucincations are indicative of adults around Star Kids?
4. The child began saying a number of words clearly by six months of age (at least one year before the average talking age of 18 months.) = 1
How many is a number? Kids babble. Sometimes it sounds like a word. If the kid is saying DaDa at 6 months, I'm not surprised. If he's saying, Jessica, I'm amazed.
5. The child began walking by one-half-year-old ( before the average walking age of one year old.) = 1
Pretty rare before 6 months.
6. When the child began speaking, s/he used phrases or whole sentences almost immediately, not just single words = 1
How does that relate to #4?
7. People notice that the child seems extremely mature for their age, almost like an adult in a child’s body. = 1
Could that be any more vague and subjective?
8. In childhood the child sought out more advanced activities, being bored with and underchallenged by the games the other children his/her age wanted to play. = 1
Don't really know what that means. Does he mean the kid is antisocial?
9. The child mentioned recalling his/her “other parents” out among the stars, or expressed a longing to go back to his/her “real home” out in the cosmos. = 2
What kid uses the word cosmos? Kids have strange fantasies
10. The child’s gaze seems unusually mature and penetrating/knowing. = 1
Vague and subjective.
The guy is a nutjob. The fact that Anita gives him any credbility speaks volumes about her own.
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| Posted By UncaYimmy on 12 Jul 2009 02:15 AM
Let's look at the first 10 questions from that test:
1. The child has a larger than average head for his/her age and height, especially in the front or top of the head. = 1
Half of all kids have heads larger than average. Exactly.2. The child has an average body temperature of below 97.6 F [36.4 C] degrees = 1 Who in the hell takes a child's temperature when they aren't sick? Normal body temps vary by time of day. Exactly. 3. The child’s birth was notable for there being a strange presence or figure in the delivery room. or an aura (glow) noted around the child or their crib. = 2
Hallucincations are indicative of adults around Star Kids? Are they kidding? For one thing, in a delivery room, no one has time to notice if there are shadowy figures about...especially Mom and the doctor. Secondly, if Mom had a drug aided delivery, she thinks everyone has an aura for a few hours afterward. Hell, even if she didn't have drugs. The exhaustive effort of hard labor, on top of the tiring last trimester of pregnancy, and the accompanying hormonal flux, can play havoc with the mind. I've had eight kids. so I think I can speak to that more than Anita and some guy can. 
4. The child began saying a number of words clearly by six months of age (at least one year before the average talking age of 18 months.) = 1
How many is a number? Kids babble. Sometimes it sounds like a word. If the kid is saying DaDa at 6 months, I'm not surprised. If he's saying, Jessica, I'm amazed.
I'd like to see the scientific evidence that supports that statement. I have no doubt that, with the rare exception, which Anita is clearly NOT, this is total bumpkus. Jeez, "star people" have to invent stuff to make themselves appear extraordinary? Oh, wait, forgot who we are talking about for a second...
5. The child began walking by one-half-year-old ( before the average walking age of one year old.) = 1
Pretty rare before 6 months. I'd like to see the scientific study that support that, too. Not just rare, but nearly impossible, considering the physical limitations at six months.
6. When the child began speaking, s/he used phrases or whole sentences almost immediately, not just single words = 1
How does that relate to #4? They asked the same question twice. Way to falsely up the score there, star folk.
7. People notice that the child seems extremely mature for their age, almost like an adult in a child’s body. = 1
Could that be any more vague and subjective? No. Again, scientific evidence, anyone? See my answer to #10.
8. In childhood the child sought out more advanced activities, being bored with and underchallenged by the games the other children his/her age wanted to play. = 1
Don't really know what that means. Does he mean the kid is antisocial? My son did that with his music. Does that mean that "star people" are autistic savants, too?
9. The child mentioned recalling his/her “other parents” out among the stars, or expressed a longing to go back to his/her “real home” out in the cosmos. = 2
What kid uses the word cosmos? Kids have strange fantasies My oldest daughter swore she was adopted for about three months when she was nine (and about three years when she was a teenager, during which I actually considered putting her up for adoption, or just handing her to the next passing stranger), and my oldest son loved the mini telescope we got him when he was eight. They must be "star people".
10. The child’s gaze seems unusually mature and penetrating/knowing. = 1
Vague and subjective. Oh, for the love of...
A LOT of children have a "knowing" gaze. How many of us have held our children and commented that they seemed like little old people, wise beyond their years? Means nothing-an illusion created by the guileless gaze of a child.
Ever looked at a bald eagle in captivity? They have unusually penetrating/knowing gazes, too. I hardly think they're yearning for the cosmos, though. Just a mouse and a comfy nest.
The guy is a nutjob. The fact that Anita gives him any credbility speaks volumes about her own.
Exactly. If she believes any of this, further evidence that she needs psychiatric care. She's not a "star person". She's a fruit loop. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 14 Jul 2009 09:36 AM |
| Anybody notice her e-mail address at VisionFromFeeling.com? It's BrightStar. Arcturus (α Boo / α Boötis / Alpha Boötis) is the brightest star in the constellation Boötes. With a visual magnitude of −0.05, it is also the third brightest star in the night sky, after Sirius and Canopus. It is, however, fainter than the combined light of the two main components of Alpha Centauri, which are too close together for the eye to resolve as separate sources of light, making Arcturus appear to be the fourth brightest. It is the second brightest star visible from northern latitudes and the brightest star in the northern celestial hemisphere. The star is in the Local Interstellar Cloud. Also, has anyone else noticed how she dances around the Star Person claim? She won't come out and say she believes it, but she won't flat-out deny it either. She really tries to avoid discussing it. I was going to suggest a DNA test, but apparently "In the Spiritual World there actually exists many more than 2 strands of DNA - there are an additional 34 strands totaling 36 in all. The other 34 strands are on the Subtle Level, and are not visible through physical means." Drats! Foiled again! | | UncaYimmy
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Posted By UncaYimmy on 14 Jul 2009 01:36 AM
Also, has anyone else noticed how she dances around the Star Person claim? She won't come out and say she believes it, but she won't flat-out deny it either. She really tries to avoid discussing it.
She does...and she also tries to infer that is the skeptics who brought it up in the first place. As I recall, she first threw that into the thread apropos of nothing..and then backed down from talking about it. Very, very sad... | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 14 Jul 2009 10:34 PM |
| As I recall she brought the subject up when she went to register at a forum and one of the questions for sign up was "Are you human." Of course this was intended to keep spam bots off the forum but Anita was very put off by that question, so much so, that she posted on the JREF about it. An admin of that forum posted to her and explained why that question was asked so Anita did get her attention fix. Anita 1- Spambots 0? | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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| | 15 Jul 2009 10:43 PM |
| I think this is Anita's first mention of "Are you human?" and Arcturus -
12th December 2008, 12:08 PM
I tried to join The Skeptics Guide to the Universe Forum at http://skepchick.org/skepticsguide/ but believe it or not they ask "Are you human?" and you have to answer "Yes" in order to register, so I couldn't do that and asked myself where is an extraterrestrial incarnation from a white dwarf star near Arcturus supposed to go and luckily Randi welcomes the opinions of all forms of life. linky | | | |
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