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13 Oct 2009 08:37 AM  
The Preliminary IIG test is first, and if I pass that test there will be a formal IIG test. That's how it works.


The word "preliminary" is not found anywhere in the IIG challenge conditions. They refer to an "informal demonstration" as follows:

At the discretion of the IIG and depending on the specific ability claimed, the IIG may request an “informal demonstration” of the ability (either in person or by video recording), prior to accepting an application. The purpose of a demonstration is to better understand the nature of the ability claimed. However, any such Informal Demonstration, regardless of the outcome, will not constitute a test and does not qualify for the prize.


This is not like the JREFF, which requires a person pass a preliminary test before being tested for the $1M. The IIG Challenge, as best as I can tell, is a one-shot test for the $50K. Have they requested an informal demonstration from you? As I understand, the only purpose of the informal demonstration is to see if it's even possible to test it objectively. The following is from the form you have to complete for the informal test.

If this demonstration shows that my claim may be objectively testable, the IIG will design a formal test that will clearly define what must occur to win the $50,000 prize, in accordance with the rules stated on the IIG Challenge Application.


On the IIG website there is no mention of "passing" a "preliminary" test, so where are you getting this from?
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13 Oct 2009 12:00 PM  

But on the IIG website, the september 2009 update specifically (last update), it states:

VISION FROM FEELING

Anita Ikonen has returned to the IIG, this time with a revised claim of paranormal medical diagnosis. Anita claims that she can psychically determine whether or not someone has had a kidney removed by looking at them. The IIG is digesting her proposed protocol for testing this latest claim and we hope to have Ms. Ikonen in Los Angeles for a preliminary test before the year is out.

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13 Oct 2009 02:35 PM  
Which simply means that if she takes the IIG preliminary test and the claim is falsified as a result, Anita will use the "preliminary" to blow off the results and continue to insist that her claim is authentic.
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13 Oct 2009 02:40 PM  
Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 12 Oct 2009 01:24 PM

I think much of your contempt against me stems from impatience with the slow progress and intolerance of someone who is different. I have an unusual experience, that I have described accurately and honestly, and I am having that experience tested. I see nothing wrong with any of what I have done.


No, it's contempt over your despicable actions, your total lack of honesty, and your overwhelming arrogance. No one expects the test to happen, so no one is impatient about it.

As for intolerance - well, that assessment doesn't mean diddly coming from a gal who has revealed herself to be as inherently racist as you have.

But, you just keep on justifying yourself to yourself, Anita. Gotta protect those delusions, you know.

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13 Oct 2009 05:05 PM  
Anita, is this preliminary actually scheduled? If so, on what date?
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13 Oct 2009 05:26 PM  
Posted By Daylightstar on 13 Oct 2009 09:05 AM
Anita, is this preliminary actually scheduled? If so, on what date?

She's not allowed to say. She's not allowed to talk about the protocol or divulge anything from the email exchanges between herself and IIG West. You must remember that this is one of IIG's ultra top secret super hush-hush preliminary  tests and not the normal standard actual  IIG test that every claimant apart from Anita has to take. Reasons of National Security - I'm sure you understand.

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14 Oct 2009 12:13 AM  
She's not allowed to say.


So the privatemessages between VFF and UncaYimmy suggest.
If she was indeed asked by the IIG West not to talk about it, she could have communicated that in a much more trustworthy way.
But then again, her online social skills are lacking.

Maybe the october 2009 update on the IIG West website will have some information. At this stage, that's not that long a wait.

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30 Oct 2009 08:35 PM  

Just for the record, although the IIG West pre.ssrel.ease is out for a while, no mention of VfF in the october 2009 update on the IIG West website.

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31 Oct 2009 04:08 AM  

I was relieved to be excluded from their October 2009 "wall of shame" and that they spared any comments on my website picture. Phew. http://www.iigwest.com/whatsnew/upd...pdate.html

She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment.
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31 Oct 2009 06:06 AM  

Oh, park the ego at the door for a change. The IIG West is a professional organization, and their website reflects that. They're not interested in your picture.

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31 Oct 2009 10:15 AM  
On the contrary, DG, I don't think you followed the link. Check it out. Their lead reads, "Doing a little research on prominent psychics, we started to notice a bizarre trend of these would-be-seers putting, on their official home page, a terrible picture of themselves." They then make fun of four different psychics.

Quite frankly, I'm losing respect for them. First, they agreed to a protocol that Anita "My Way or the Highway" Ikonen thinks is perfect and now this.
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31 Oct 2009 05:04 PM  
Posted By UncaYimmy on 31 Oct 2009 02:15 AM
On the contrary, DG, I don't think you followed the link. Check it out. Their lead reads, "Doing a little research on prominent psychics, we started to notice a bizarre trend of these would-be-seers putting, on their official home page, a terrible picture of themselves." They then make fun of four different psychics.

Quite frankly, I'm losing respect for them. First, they agreed to a protocol that Anita "My Way or the Highway" Ikonen thinks is perfect and now this.

Wow, I missed that. I take it back, then.

So much for professionalism.

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Posted By Daylightstar on 12 Oct 2009 04:51 PM
I am so sorry that this subject is so provocative.

Not the subject, your conduct.
For the rest, everything has been extensively responded to earlier. For those responses you show utter indifference, disregard and contempt.

It is yet again confirmed that a meaningful dialogue with you is impossible.
No amount of denying by you can conceal your conduct.

Although you ma(d)(k)e a concerted effort to come across as sort of nice and sweet, which seemed to charm people in the beginning, poking through all of that is a very deliberate and unpleasant character.

Sorry about that, just an observation.

But yet again:
On http://forums.randi.org/showpost.ph...tcount=212 Yesterday, 08:48 PM
" ...  I am so very sorry that this subject is so provocative and that it turns your whole worlds up side down, ... !"

Indeed, a meaningful dialogue is impossible.
 

 

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