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 | | 12 Jul 2010 05:14 PM |
| Posted By Christa on 12 Jul 2010 07:35 AM
Once again, ahem. That the JREF paid her fares is not what I am gently, subtly, tactfully, and sensitively intimating. I believe they're following whatever rules they usually follow. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt that. My understanding is that they are not responsible for transportation to the venue, so I believe they're not paying transportation for VfF. I guess you were a bit too subtle and tactful for me. That was exactly what I thought you were inferring. Sorry. I am guessing that you were trying to tactfully and subtly imply was that she managed to convince some gullible guy to cover her expenses? Possibly her BF from the IIG? | | With a VfF Decoder Ring™ * all of your misunderstandings, including Upcoming™ ones, will be cleared up. Eventually™.
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UncaYimmy
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| | 12 Jul 2010 11:00 PM |
| My sources tell me that she wasn't sure if she would have the money to get from Sweden (apparently she was on holiday) to Vegas. Beyond that, who knows?
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Christa
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| | 13 Jul 2010 06:30 AM |
| Posted By TheSkepticCanuck on 12 Jul 2010 09:14 AM
Posted By Christa on 12 Jul 2010 07:35 AM
Once again, ahem. That the JREF paid her fares is not what I am gently, subtly, tactfully, and sensitively intimating. I believe they're following whatever rules they usually follow. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt that. My understanding is that they are not responsible for transportation to the venue, so I believe they're not paying transportation for VfF. I guess you were a bit too subtle and tactful for me. That was exactly what I thought you were inferring. Sorry. I am guessing that you were trying to tactfully and subtly imply was that she managed to convince some gullible guy to cover her expenses? Possibly her BF from the IIG? I'm very pleased my attempt to be subtle and tactful succeeded! First time in my life that's happened. And all it led to was misunderstanding. This is the reason I'm usually direct. Yes, what I meant is that, because VfF has written about her great affinity for elderly men, I believe she's well-practiced at getting money out of them. I think she's much more than just an attention whore. So I never worry about how she'll pay her bills. People like her always find a way. UY, sorry in advance for the angry email Anita's about to send you. Yes, Anita, I think being nice to men so they'll buy you things makes you a whore. I'm not saying you always do it. And I'm expressing it as an opinion, because of course I don't know for sure. If you don't want people to call you a whore, you might want to 1.Refrain from talking about how poor you are while flying commercial airlines all over country. 2.Pay your own membership fees to skeptic groups. 3.Stop saying that, because of your extra-terrestrial origins, men your own age don't interest you. 4.And ditch your "look, I was a woo, now I'm becoming a skeptic" campaign. | | | |
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| | 15 Jul 2010 03:00 AM |
| www.youtube.com/watch 2 minutes 56 seconds in and Anita Ikonen - the human MRI - proves she is no Brent Atwater. | | | |
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| | 15 Jul 2010 03:04 AM |
| Somehow I think failing each and every demonstration, test, study whatever whatever doesn't really matter to Anita.
She got as much attention and controversy as her heart desired.
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| | 15 Jul 2010 02:45 PM |
| Posted By UncaYimmy on 14 Jul 2010 11:57 PM
Should I waste my time watching these videos? When is enough enough? Brian Hart makes a great comment at the end of the last tape. I'm glad I watched just for that. I skipped the others; I do think it's time to start depriving this parasite of hosts. I thought I saw her face sink when Banacek revealed the missing kidney guy. But that might be my imagination. It's tough for me to imagine she really thinks she has some mystical power, but she might. She did try to wear a dress with a more modern design, and someone's told her that black is slimming. Sex sells! (Anita, shut up about whether or not comments on your appearance are appropriate. Everything about your stage show is fair game, because your plump suicide-blondeness is the basis of your whole shtick. Your public presentation of self is a very important topic to discuss.) The whole thing was nausea-inducing and disgusting. But edifying. I'd say watch the last one. | | | |
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| | 15 Jul 2010 10:37 PM |
| Thanks. That last video was interesting to watch. She most certainly got paid with attention, and it was attention from those for whom she holds respect (or at least not contempt). I think she got bored of the attention from the breatharian woos. She speaks of those people with condescension. It's part of NPD that she wants attention from the small group she respects.
What a messed up woman. All that time and money for a joke of a demonstration.
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| | 16 Jul 2010 02:09 AM |
| Anita's spin:
"I chose person #3 left side, target was person #2 right side... my second choice would have been person #2 right side"
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UncaYimmy
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| | 16 Jul 2010 05:06 AM |
| I am amazed that some skeptics are saying this demonstration was meaningless for or against her claim. They couldn't be more wrong. There are two elements to testing a claim like hers:
1) Will the conditions allow the claimed ability to work?
2) Have all the "known" methods for accomplishing the same result been excluded by the protocol?
With Anita's TAM 8 demonstration, #1 is a resounding yes while #2 is a resounding no. So, this "demonstration" is a very clear example of failure. It once again proves that her claimed ability does not exist. Had she gotten the correct target, it would have been meaningless because #2 was not a yes, but people seem to think that this also means that nothing can be learned from the demonstration. That's just wrong.
This was another failure, just like here so called "study" where she did no better than controls or her "tests" on "induced information" where she did no better than chance. All of these were sufficient to demonstrate that no ability exists, and that's exactly what they did.
While I think the TAM demonstration was a waste of time and a mistake, it's just one more example of how deluded this poor woman is. She stood up on a stage pretending she could see inside the human body, when in reality it's just a vivid imagination and a desire for attention.
Anita needs to put a big sign on her site that reads, "The Claim Has Been Falsified" and find some other outlet for attention. I recommend ballroom dancing.
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Farencue
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| | 16 Jul 2010 06:45 AM |
| The demonstration was certainly not a waste of time for Anita.
It was her moment of glory - sharing the stage with the great Banachek and the JREF! At THE TAM MEETING!
Anita's list of namedrops is by now pretty impressive, as is the amount of time and energy that was spent on this incarnation's claims by others. All those people fawning over Her Specialness. And all she had to do was talk bullshit.
There is no failing in Anita's world. She got where she wanted to go and that was in the spotlight. | | | |
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| | 16 Jul 2010 07:27 AM |
| What the JREF did was shameful, really. It's a slap in the face to a lot of people, from the IIG to the JREF Forum. Seriously, how can they ban someone from the forums for personal attacks and harassing the admins and then invite them on stage at their convention? Of all the countless woos of the world who could have stood in, why her? Why not go over the excellent job the IIG did with her test instead of that silly demonstration? Better still, why not have Banacek pretend to be the claimant and demonstrate how protocols can be beaten if you're not careful?
The whole shebang was pathetic, and it's made me lose even more respect for the JREF.
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| | 17 Jul 2010 03:35 AM |
| I'm baffled by the whole TAM demonstration. The interaction between Anita and the JREF has become bizarre. I thought Randi had established the JREF for, among other goals, true skeptical examination of paranormal claims, but it seems that others involved are swinging his namesake organization wide of that mark.
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Christa
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| | 17 Jul 2010 06:37 AM |
| Posted By UncaYimmy on 16 Jul 2010 06:59 PM
The woman is bonkers. Just check out the blatant lies in this blog comment.
Well, I certainly feel left out. I flat-out called her a whore (after several attempts to be gentle, subtle, and sensitive) and she didn't mention me. I guess because I'm not a famous male skeptic. Anita, I'm a woman and a feminist. Sexual harassment is a real problem in our society, but it's not your problem. Your sexually manipulative behavior is your problem.On second thought, it's your solution. To your perceived problem of not feeling special and not getting enough attention. Very few things are more troubling than a person who makes false accusations. You're one very small step up from a woman who falsely accuses a man of rape. None of these men is sexually harassing you, Anita. You behave like a whore, and on top of that you're a star-fucker. (Look it up. Or ask some man to buy you to the Bowie recording that features this term.) Women like you make it harder for the millions do who contend with sexual harassment to be heard. Many people don't want to face up to this nasty reality; so they use the obvious mendacity of opportunistic liars like you to dismiss all claims as false. You're vile. | | | |
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| | 17 Jul 2010 08:57 AM |
| While I have to draw the line at personal attacks somewhere, Christa's post is relevant to subjects that Anita, herself, has brought up repeatedly. As such, I'll let her Christa's opinions stand. It wouldn't be right for Anita to cry victim without allowing others to give another side to the story. I've certainly seen Anita's blatant manipulation first-hand as well as her subsequent lies about it. Shameful, really. | | UncaYimmy
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| | 17 Jul 2010 10:21 AM |
| I think Christa'a post is appropriate. | | | |
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UncaYimmy
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| | 17 Jul 2010 11:08 AM |
| I think it's appropriate as well, but some visitors may not be familiar with the back-story, which is why I wanted to make it clear that I realize it seems like a personal attack but don't consider it one. Perhaps I didn't make that clear. For the record, about 18 months ago after my first private chats with Anita Ikonen, I publicly posted that I felt I was being manipulated and that there was flirting. Since then I always made sure that I sent to at least one other person the contents of the chats I had because I believed Anita would then try to exploit the sexual nature of some of her comments. I was right. She falsely accused me of sexual harassment and pretended to be victim. Her conduct is shameful.
Christa makes excellent points about Anita's conduct, and I hope Christa expands on her thoughts.
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Daylightstar
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| | 17 Jul 2010 02:19 PM |
| It was clear to me, however your comments are an excellent addition for those who might skim posts and like you say, don't know the backstory.
Also, I think that Anita Ikonen (VfF) is not the kind of person to be pussyfooting around, clear direct language is needed.
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