Akhenaten
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 Posts:618
 | | 10 Jul 2010 10:58 PM |
| What the hell is this gibberish? First Posted by Vision from Failing July 5 2010 update: Demonstration Statistics As the demonstration is still in its design stages, the statistics of the demonstration have now been assigned. I will not reveal the numbers yet, until my testing organization is ready to make the announcement, but I would like to say that the statistics of this demonstration are too low to qualify this event as a test. If my results in this demonstration are all fully correct, the statistics are still too low to provide evidence toward the claim, therefore this demonstration can under no results verify the claim due to insufficient test subjects and low statistics. Why? Well, because if I produce the correct answers in this demonstration, somebody might as well have done that just by guessing, and a large enough number of random guessers would be predicted to make the same fully accurate answers. That is why if I am fully accurate in this demonstration, there is no way here to distinguish between the use of some skill, or the average guesser's luck.
It's been fun to take part in the rumours over at the JREF Forum about whether Annie's demonstration is the seekrit MDC Challenge Event scheduled for the last day of TAM8, but srsly, it's a bit difficult to believe that any credible sceptical organisation would entertain the idea of involving itself with the clot that wrote the above nonsense, let alone the JREF. | | | The moving finger writes and having writ, moves on.
Nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line.
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 Posts:1156
 | | 10 Jul 2010 11:26 PM |
| Did you notice that she referred to "my testing organization" - maybe it's not the JREF! LOL! I've been waiting to see what actually happens before I sound off on this what I think will be a travesty. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
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Daylightstar
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 Posts:187
 | | 11 Jul 2010 10:52 PM |
| Don't you think she means this in the sense of: my estate agent, my docter, etcetera?
If there's anything worth commenting on wrt VfF/TAM it should be afterwards. We'll know soon enough. | | | |
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 Posts:1156
 | | 12 Jul 2010 12:42 AM |
| She's referred to "my skeptics" before, so I don't think it's the same type of usage as "my doctor" is for sane people. The one thing that is worth commenting on right now is that is she claimed she was too poor to buy a couple of OTC drugs to complete the test the Pup from JREF sent her (crushed pills), yet she can repeatedly fly to California and attend TAM in Vegas. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
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Daylightstar
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 Posts:187
 | | 12 Jul 2010 03:47 AM |
| Posted By UncaYimmy on 11 Jul 2010 04:42 PM
She's referred to "my skeptics" before, so I don't think it's the same type of usage as "my doctor" is for sane people. The one thing that is worth commenting on right now is that is she claimed she was too poor to buy a couple of OTC drugs to complete the test the Pup from JREF sent her (crushed pills), yet she can repeatedly fly to California and attend TAM in Vegas. Bolding mine.
This is indeed a very good distinction.
I think you are right. VfF's language does generally not fit in the sane realm anyways. Her too poor to buy a couple OTC drugs excuse is simply a lie among many many other lies and misrepresentations.
She's a fraud at heart.
This aspect of VfF can not be overstated. | | | |
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TheSkepticCanuck
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 Posts:8
 | | 12 Jul 2010 05:31 AM |
| Well, it saddens me to say that Anita is indeed the super secret MDC applicant currently on stage at TAM8. It is being billed as a demonstration of what she claims she can do, and not an actual test, preliminary or otherwise. She is currently claiming to be able to detect a missing kidney or uterus. She is getting 6 minutes per person for observations and evaluations. It is sad that the MDC has gotten to this level of desperation that they will allow her to darken the TAM stage at all. | | With a VfF Decoder Ring™ * all of your misunderstandings, including Upcoming™ ones, will be cleared up. Eventually™.
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daSkeptic
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 Posts:2
 | | 12 Jul 2010 06:59 AM |
| A demonstration? So the JREF is giving woos a platform now?
I hear Randi refused to attend. | | | |
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Farencue
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 Posts:176
 | | 12 Jul 2010 07:12 AM |
| This latest episode should make for interesting viewing. | | | |
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Farencue
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 Posts:176
 | | 12 Jul 2010 07:13 AM |
| I also like the uterus idea. | | | |
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 Posts:1156
 | | 12 Jul 2010 07:23 AM |
| To the best of my knowledge the only comment by Randi was this: [QUOTE] Niner Online Comments The item on Anita Ikonen says that her webpage -- www.visionfromfeeling.com -- has details about her claims. None appear there. These vapid "medical" claims are made all over the world, and we've tested many of them over the years. They all fail, yet the victims continue to believe, and suffer financial and emotional loss as results. Ikonen will fail, too, but it will make no difference. The suckers will go in in their delusions, and she'll laugh all the way to the bank...[/QUOTE] | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
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daSkeptic
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 | | 12 Jul 2010 07:51 AM |
| The secrecy surrounding this whole thing is troublesome too. While I have my own suspicions as to why they did that, I'd really like to hear it from them. | | | |
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 Posts:1156
 | | 12 Jul 2010 08:17 AM |
| It wasn't just secrecy - they totally ignored the forum. Thing is, the JREF doesn't pay much attention to the forum anyway, so I don't know if that even means anything. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
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Daylightstar
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 Posts:187
 | | 12 Jul 2010 11:31 AM |
| This "demonstration" somehow reminds me of the very, very unskeptical Rational Alchemy podcast episode with Anita Ikonen and Jeff Wagg. | | | |
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 Posts:1156
 | | 12 Jul 2010 12:07 PM |
| I agree. I hope they have a good reason for doing this. I think they showed contempt for the forum by inviting a banned member (banned for personal attacks and harassing the mods) on the stage. It's even worse that she's repeatedly failed every test and tried to spin them every which way. I just cannot see the upside, and there were plenty of downsides. Had she guessed right, which wasn't all that hard, we never would have heard the end of it. We still may not.
If this is part of her "journey" to skepticism, I still don't buy it. Nobody needs that kind of attention to become a skeptic. Everything she has done could have been done quietly, and this "demonstration" was no exception. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
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catbasket
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 Posts:91
 | | 12 Jul 2010 01:16 PM |
| Posted By TheSkepticCanuck on 11 Jul 2010 09:31 PM
Well, it saddens me to say that Anita is indeed the super secret MDC applicant currently on stage at TAM8. It is being billed as a demonstration of what she claims she can do, and not an actual test, preliminary or otherwise. She is currently claiming to be able to detect a missing kidney or uterus. She is getting 6 minutes per person for observations and evaluations. It is sad that the MDC has gotten to this level of desperation that they will allow her to darken the TAM stage at all. What TSC said, with added swearing and disgust.
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Akhenaten
 Stripes Earned - Respect Me
 Posts:618
 | | 12 Jul 2010 01:27 PM |
| What a friggin' disgrace. How long before we see Ikonen writing articles for Swift? | | | The moving finger writes and having writ, moves on.
Nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line.
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.
- from The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, who really should have read the FAQ and learned about the Edit function. | |
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Christa
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 Posts:55
 | | 12 Jul 2010 01:37 PM |
| Posted By UncaYimmy on 11 Jul 2010 04:42 PM
She's referred to "my skeptics" before, so I don't think it's the same type of usage as "my doctor" is for sane people. The one thing that is worth commenting on right now is that is she claimed she was too poor to buy a couple of OTC drugs to complete the test the Pup from JREF sent her (crushed pills), yet she can repeatedly fly to California and attend TAM in Vegas. Ahem. I would like to gently, tactfully, and sensitively broach the idea that VfF is not the one paying for her plane tickets. Even though I did think she was lying about not being able to afford the pills. Also, add me to the list of those disgusted about her upcoming appearance. She may be a foreigner, but she's already learned that it pays to have powerful male supporters. In more ways than one. Cf. the reference to plane tickets, above. | | | |
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TheSkepticCanuck
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 Posts:8
 | | 12 Jul 2010 03:24 PM |
| Posted By Christa on 12 Jul 2010 05:37 AM Ahem.
I would like to gently, tactfully, and sensitively broach the idea that VfF is not the one paying for her plane tickets. Even though I did think she was lying about not being able to afford the pills. Also, add me to the list of those disgusted about her upcoming appearance. She may be a foreigner, but she's already learned that it pays to have powerful male supporters. In more ways than one. Cf. the reference to plane tickets, above. To be fair, we don't actually know that the JREF paid for her plane ticket. After all, she paid to fly to LA a few months ago to attend another IIG challenge, so apparently money is not a big obstacle. Besides, last we heard, she was dating one of the IIG members, so she might have already been in the LA area with him, and merely travelled from LA to Vegas with him. There are enough things wrong with Anita being on the MDC stage at TAM without needing to possibly invent additional things to complain about. Let's stick to the known facts, and hold our complaints about other issues until we actually have facts to complain about. For now, we have no evidence that the JREF paid any portion of her expenses, so let's hold off with the complaints until we do. | | With a VfF Decoder Ring™ * all of your misunderstandings, including Upcoming™ ones, will be cleared up. Eventually™.
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Christa
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 Posts:55
 | | 12 Jul 2010 03:35 PM |
| Once again, ahem. That the JREF paid her fares is not what I am gently, subtly, tactfully, and sensitively intimating. I believe they're following whatever rules they usually follow. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt that. My understanding is that they are not responsible for transportation to the venue, so I believe they're not paying transportation for VfF. | | | |
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