desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
 Stripes Earned - Respect Me
 Posts:1030
 | | 11 Dec 2009 01:24 AM |
| whether you like it or not, you are a part of my life That particular statement just gives me the chills. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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Farencue
 One of the Gang
 Posts:176
 | | 11 Dec 2009 03:13 AM |
| Sorry if I sound like a smartarse but geez.... Saw THIS crap coming a long time ago.
It's the only card Anita has left in the deck to play and I have seen it before with my best mate's ex husband after she finally left him ( READ: CUT OFF HIS SUPPLY). He made her life hell by phoning her constantly and threatening to "do himself in" right now while on the phone if she didn't do whatever it was he wanted. Of course, just as Anita does, he kept moving the goal posts. As horrible as this sounds, the ex husband DID do it a few months ago. She has been left with a burden of sadness but also major RELIEF. So, so sad and very scary.
Anita really has lost the plot. There is no heart condition. As you said UY it is anxiety. Should someone do Anita a big favour and call her university, contact her family on facebook or her boyfriend?
This is getting way out of hand. And all because she wants to be special. | | | |
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Farencue
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 Posts:176
 | | 11 Dec 2009 03:20 AM |
| Oh and Anita, my grandfather at the age of 88 last year was resuscitated after having a major heart attack. They decided to give him a quadruple bypass which he SURVIVED and he is now back to working his vegie garden and is expected to keep on rocking for quite a few years yet.
You will be fine love, I am not concerned about your "heart condition" at all. Grow up you stupid girl. | | | |
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Christa
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 | | 11 Dec 2009 03:27 AM |
| UY, I think you're right to publicize this and protect yourself and your family. But others, including Anita, might also be in danger. Her deterioration is picking up steam. Have you sent this email to UNCC authorities? That might protect everyone who needs protecting. | | | |
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desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 11 Dec 2009 03:56 AM |
| Posted By Christa on 10 Dec 2009 07:27 PM
UY, I think you're right to publicize this and protect yourself and your family. But others, including Anita, might also be in danger. Her deterioration is picking up steam. Have you sent this email to UNCC authorities? That might protect everyone who needs protecting. I was thinking the same thing - perhaps you should alert the university authorities, UY, if you haven't already done so. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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Farencue
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 Posts:176
 | | 11 Dec 2009 11:47 AM |
| If not the university then definitely someone who knows her - anyone on her facebook that is family? | | | |
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Farencue
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 Posts:176
 | | 11 Dec 2009 12:45 PM |
| I just saw on JREF that anita has been suspended for a week for repeated breaches of the MA. She must have been rabid. I hope this doesn't tip her over the edge. Anita, call someone in your family for some support | | | |
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Agatha
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 | | 11 Dec 2009 02:21 PM |
| Anita, I know you'll be reading here.
I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV, and you should continue to see your doctor.
The chest pains you describe feeling match the symptoms of a panic attack. You did the right thing to get checked out in case it was anything more serious, but now that has been ruled out with the normal EKG, you need to do something about the panic and anxiety symptoms.
Anti-anxiety medications can take several weeks to start making you feel better, so don't dismiss them after just a week. Keep taking any medicines your doctor prescribes, it's not a good idea to stop anti-anxiety meds without a doctor's supervision. If you are not feeling a lessening in anxiety after six weeks of taking the meds, go back to your doctor and explain, you might need a different dosage or a different drug. It's not a one-size-fits-all solution, you'll need the drug and dosage tailored to you.
Panic attacks can be very scary and can mimic the symptoms of a heart attack or other medical emergency, so you should seek medical help during an attack if you are at all concerned, ring 911 or go to the hospital.
However, if it is a panic attack, there are things you can do to help. Learning to avoid known triggers is key, as is taking any meds your doctor prescribes. Relaxation, visualisation and slowing your breathing can help to head off an attack before it gets bad. There is a lot of literature available on the web about panic attacks, do some reading and help yourself to understand what is going on in your body.
Please take your doctor's advice if he advises counselling. Hell, take my advice and make an appointment to see a qualified mental health professional. Not because I think you are mad, I don't. I do think that you are going through a stressful time, you have a heavy university workload and you've had important and precious aspects of your life and personality shown to be false. That is going to take a lot of dealing with, and you don't have to do this on your own, there is help available for you.
The last few posts on the JREFF (especially the stuff in AAH) prior to your most recent suspension, and the email to UY have a changed quality from your earlier posts and emails. I believe that you need some help, and I believe that you need it soon. There is no shame and no blame attached to needing that help. The panic attacks and anxiety you are feeling is an effort by your body and mind to get you to seek that help.
Your behaviour is having a bad effect on others and causing them alarm and distress. Your behaviour is also causing you alarm and distress, and manifesting itself in frightening and painful physical symptoms.
I urge you to seek help before things get worse for you and for those around you.
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desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
 Stripes Earned - Respect Me
 Posts:1030
 | | 11 Dec 2009 03:06 PM |
| Well said, Agatha. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
 Leader of the Pack
 Posts:1156
 | | 11 Dec 2009 10:54 PM |
| I have said from day one that mental illness is not something shameful. It just means you're sick, just like the flu. And, just like the flu, people may not want to be around you if you're sneezing, coughing and vomiting. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 Posts:1156
 | | 17 Dec 2009 06:59 AM |
| Apparently I forgot to block Anita on Skype because she contacted me this evening trying to initiate a conversation. I mean, really, this woman has some serious mental problems.
[8:50:45 PM] Anita Ikonen: Yay! Jim Carr is here! [8:51:35 PM] Anita Ikonen: Did you see? http://skepticblog.org/2009/12/05/girls-who-stare-at-kidneys/ [8:54:39 PM] Jim Carr: I thought I had you blocked. Do NOT contact me again unless it is through an attorney. If you ever show up anywhere near my home, I will be contacting the police. [8:55:01 PM] Anita Ikonen: What makes you think I would ever show up near your home? Jim, don't live with that fear, I would never do that. [8:55:13 PM] Anita Ikonen: I want you to feel fully safe in knowing that I am never going to come near your home. [8:55:19 PM] Anita Ikonen: I am sorry you have to feel that way. [8:55:24 PM] *** Jim Carr blocked Anita Ikonen *** | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
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derardi
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 | | 17 Dec 2009 06:12 PM |
| is anyone going to alert her friends or family ?
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desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 Posts:1030
 | | 17 Dec 2009 09:38 PM |
| Do you know who her family and friends are? I don't. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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Ashles
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 Posts:270
 | | 17 Dec 2009 10:32 PM |
| I think it looks clearly like she is planning on cutting contact soon as she has nowhere else to go with this stupid claim. She must have agonised over how to extract herself from the situation without looking even more idiotic. Then it hit her. She can imply maybe she died! Brilliant! It fulfils all her requirements for drama and attention and being talked about, and it means she gets to withdraw from her unwinnable position. Of course the one drawback is that she couldn't actually keep away for any length of time, so after a few months she'd bounce back on to the forums with a grand entrance with a new moronic claim. When oh when will this child grow up. | | | |
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derardi
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 | | 17 Dec 2009 11:13 PM |
| dg, all i know is what is written in the threads. any ideas ?
derardi
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Daylightstar
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 Posts:187
 | | 18 Dec 2009 01:01 AM |
| derardi, do you think it's worthwhile to care about it?
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desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 18 Dec 2009 01:48 AM |
| Posted By derardi on 17 Dec 2009 03:13 PM
dg,
all i know is what is written in the threads.
any ideas ?
derardi
No, and, at this point, I'm not inclined to extend myself any further than I already have to encourage Anita to seek psychiatric care. Ashles makes a strong point, as well. Since the IIG test, Anita has run out of options for her attention seeking, since even the folks at the JREF are becoming lackluster in their responses to her insanity. She's unlikely to find another skeptical organization willing to become involved with any further testing. She's harassed UY to the point of having some concern about the safety of himself and his family. She's harassed Lex to the point that most of us have expressed concern about Lex's safety. Anita may very well be having anxiety attacks, but she's also thrown it out there to UY in a quest for further attention-the hope that, if she didn't post for a while, he would contact her out of concern for her wellbeing. She completely disregarded his obvious desire to have no further personal interaction with her. Who further needs the aggravation from her overwhelming arrogance? Her family and friends have had the opportunity to view her madness IRL, and apparently aren't willing to do anything, so I fail to see why any of us should put any further time and effort into attempting to help her. It's not that I am without compassion, but, when all is said and done, we all have our own lives. Most of us get spread pretty thin already helping the people in our lives who need us. We've tried to help Anita. It didn't work. I think we have to chalk this one up to the fact that we can't always save people from themselves. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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derardi
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 Posts:16
 | | 18 Dec 2009 05:43 AM |
| dg, your point about her family and friends not acting is enough for me to stop. thank you, derardi | | | |
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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
 Leader of the Pack
 Posts:1156
 | | 18 Dec 2009 08:11 AM |
| At the time of this writing, 108 people in the poll on the home page have suggested she visit a mental health professional. Many of us, myself included, have repeatedly told her she needs to see someone. This has been said publicly and privately many times. Her Facebook friends are well aware of what she's been up to. People at the university know. Her boyfriend knows.
Anita doesn't think there's anything wrong or at least is afraid to admit it. There's nothing left for any of us to do. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
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Arpie
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 | | 22 Dec 2009 03:57 AM |
| Hope this isn't off topic, but I just voted for 'fooling herself' in the survey. I think any argument that could be put forth about Anita's beliefs wrt a stable mind could also apply to most theists. That's just MHO. If you buy the omnipotent creator package you obviously require no evidence so where do we draw the line? With those who actually think their god talks to them? Hell, 'W' believed that and look where it got us? Now THAT is hard core insanity!
UY-I used to just click on your sig to come here, but the link is gone. Did Damouse get on your case about it? | | | |
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