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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | 10 Dec 2009 08:24 AM |
| I have repeatedly told Anita not to contact me except through an attorney, but she continues. Last week I "de-friended" her on Facebook and blocked her after she once again initiated contact. I also blocked her on Skype. Today I received a long e-mail from her (see below). I will look into filing a restraining order locally so that if she ever comes near me or my family, I can have her arrested and hopefully deported. I don't know if I can do anything over state lines or via e-mail. Here's the e-mail, which she asked me not to share knowing full well that I have told her many times that I will not honor any such requests from her.
Jim,
Just to share with you some bad news. It seems I have developed a heart
condition. For a couple of weeks now I have been having nearly constant
heart pain. It started as just a feeling of pressure over the heart, and
was then an occasional sharp cramp in a blood vessel above the heart. Then
the cramps came from both sides of the heart. I've now had cramps that
come across the whole heart. It is quickly getting much worse.
It is at a point where I can't move my head to the left without hurting.
And I will get these sudden moments where I could swear I am having a
heart attack.
It is very bad. I had an EKG last week and they said it was fine. I am
going back to the Health Center again tomorrow and ask for more tests.
Last week they gave me an anxiety medicine and told me to try it. I'm
taking that and it hasn't helped, so the heart condition is probably not
anxiety related or due to emotions or stress.
I am very scared. It is very, very bad.
The reason I am writing this, is not to ask for sympathy. You and me are
not in a relationship where you would extend any sympathy toward me.
Perhaps we used to be, I remember thinking of you as a friend. Well,
whether you like it or not, you are a part of my life, and I am letting my
friends know about my heart because it has gotten very, very bad.
Well, basically it is as silly as, "if I'm not here anymore all of a
sudden", then... You know. Well, basically, "if I die", be nice to me?
Somehow? Don't say anything mean about me dying or anything. I know this
is silly, but my heart is really in a bad shape.
Yesterday I was in class and started to have a cramp that came across the
entire heart. They are very painful. I told myself to relax, and I slowly
got up and went out into the hallway to walk it off. But they are
gradually, and quickly, getting much worse. Each time is worse. Some
nights now I can't sleep, because the heart keeps hurting. I am very
scared. But I don't panic about it. It is what it is, like I've said about
many of the other things I am doing.
I am definitely not lying. I am just saying, that if I die, I love you,
and I've enjoyed having you in my life. You're the best. I always chose to
think of you as a friend, even when you said you weren't. I am like that.
I like people that way. It is hard for me to make friends, and as you know
I have not many. But it is even harder for me to let go of friends, so
that is why I still think of you that way.
The reason I am writing to you, is because none of my family or friends
know you, and surely if I were to die, none of them would be contacting
you to let you know. So, just to let you know, if I am gone for long long
times, I am probably gone for good.
Sounds ridiculous, but my heart has gone very, very bad. Even now it hurts
and I can't take a deep breath. I think I am going to the hospital
tonight. In fact, I am going to get up from the computer right now and
give it some serious thought about whether to go to the hospital right
now. The only reason not to, is that it costs a lot of money, and I am
thinking that *maybe* if I wait, it will be over by tomorrow.
I've been doing that a lot lately, postponing, shrugging it off, but it's
really, really bad.
So! In case something happens! I LOVE YOU!
Anita Ikonen / VisionFromFeeling
PS. Please don't tell anyone else. This is personal information, and also
in case I'm going to recover then it is not something I would want to have
shared everywhere. Keep it to yourself. I know you can. Be glad I told
you.
What else should I say... just in case. I don't know. Just keep fighting
those woos. You're a good Skeptic. And if I'm gone, there are others out
there. Keep doing what you do, and in that case, extend
stopvisionfromfeeling to stopping also other woos.
My heart is getting bad as we speak. I am very scared. I wish it wasn't
doing this. And no, you are not the only one I talk to if things get bad.
I am going to go call my boyfriend right after this. I hope I don't end up
in the hospital. Oh, I hope I don't have a heart attack.
You see, if I go, all of my family and friends will be there with me and
they will know, but you would never find out because it's not like I am
going to say on my death bed, "Please let me call Jim Carr!" Heh, you
wouldn't answer anyway.
Well, take care. Don't worry about me, I think I'm going to the hospital
this evening or tomorrow to get it really checked. I guess I'd better stop
talking to you. Just wanted to let you know. But if you see me continuing
posting on the Forums and what not, I'll still have these heart pains as
I've been having lately more and more frequently and more severely...
Anyhow.
Wanted to let you know, because if anything suddenly happens, you would
not find out.
What ever. You're just going to reply to this post, by, "Don't write to me
again unless through an attorney." You grumpy thing you.
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| UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | 10 Dec 2009 08:32 AM |
| I'm sure some people will think I am a cold person for sharing the e-mail, but all things considered, it is the most prudent course of action.
* She has repeatedly harassed me including calling me on the phone despite repeated requests that she not (she found the number on my business website).
* She has repeatedly tried to entice me to call her on the phone despite me repeatedly telling her I will never call her.
* She has "friended" and "defriended" me multiple times of Facebook.
* She has threatened to "call the authorities" and sue me for running a "hate campaign" against her.
* She has lied about me and to me many times.
* She has on a number of occasions refused to stop sending me instant messages, forcing me to block her account until she calmed down.
* And, if you read the claims here, it's pretty clear she has at best a tenuous grasp on reality.
So, after repeatedly telling her not to contact me except through an attorney and then receiving an e-mail where she says she's dying and that she loves me, I get a little concerned. Other people need to know about this. Engage her at your own risk.
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| Audible Click
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 | | 10 Dec 2009 09:14 AM |
| I don't think you're cold at all. The e-mail is disturbing for several reasons not the least of which is that she now thinks she has "serious" heart problems ( normal ekg though) and "loves" you and wants you to know that if she isn't posting she's most likely dead. This is the typical manipulative behavior of an internet stalker which can escalate into IRL stalking or threats of suicide if you don't respond to her. I'm not saying this is what she is doing but one never knows. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
-- Harry Hill | |
| UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | 10 Dec 2009 09:28 AM |
| What she is describing is a panic attack (that's why it doesn't show up on the EKG). Many of us were worried that when she failed the test her fantasy world would collapse around her. No wonder she is having anxiety problems. It's another mental disorder that's a direct result of her other disorders. I'm sure Desertgal will share some of what she has learned in her research over the years. When people say they "didn't see it coming" it probably means they weren't paying attention to what they saw. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
| Akhenaten
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 Posts:618
 | | 10 Dec 2009 09:34 AM |
| Geez. | | | The moving finger writes and having writ, moves on.
Nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line.
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.
- from The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, who really should have read the FAQ and learned about the Edit function. | |
| UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | McLuvin
 One of the Gang
 Posts:29
 | | 10 Dec 2009 11:35 AM |
| Why doesn't she feel into it and heal herself?
Anyways check this link Anita and hope you feel better soon..
http://www.brentenergywork.com/ | | | |
| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 Posts:1030
 | | 10 Dec 2009 03:01 PM |
| Posted By UncaYimmy on 10 Dec 2009 01:28 AM
I'm sure Desertgal will share some of what she has learned in her research over the years. When people say they "didn't see it coming" it probably means they weren't paying attention to what they saw.
Bingo.
Panic attacks and ulcers - common side effects when reality gets too burdensome to ignore. I don't have any further insights to offer here that you all haven't already perceived just from reading what she wrote. No, I don't think you are being cold, UY - I think AC is dead right. I hope you get a restraining order in place-and I would advise Lex to get one, as well - very shortly. If Anita can scrape up the money to fly to LA, she can scrape up the money to fly to Phoenix. I'm also wondering, since you have advised her repeatedly not to contact you except through an attorney, if her persistence would be of concern to her Internet provider? Since she is using their service to continue these unwanted contacts, do they have a legal basis to advise her to desist? Personally, this, to me, appears to be pure bunny boiler rhetoric. Beyond creepy. Even if her attacks are actually happening, I have little sympathy left for Anita. By comparison, the pain of an anxiety attack and the pain of a heart attack is like a cherry bomb to Hiroshima. Pretending that a heart atack is imminent just to get your attention is a new low for Anita. Try really looking inside yourself, Anita. Your school has a counseling center-avail yourself of it. And, Jesus H. Christ, leave UY alone. In case you missed it, "only contact me through an attorney" is a crystal clear sign that he isn't your BFF and doesn't want to be. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| derardi
 Groupie
 Posts:16
 | | 10 Dec 2009 06:10 PM |
| is this a make it or break it event for anita?
derardi | | | |
| Sasha
 Newbie
 Posts:11
 | | 10 Dec 2009 07:13 PM |
| I agree with desertgal - this is an obvious and extremely juvenile attempt at manipulation. Odd that she was still able to muster the strength to post last night on the JREF forum.
Double Geez.
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| catbasket
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 Posts:91
 | | 10 Dec 2009 07:45 PM |
| Posted By desertgal on 10 Dec 2009 07:01 AM
Personally, this, to me, appears to be pure bunny boiler rhetoric. Beyond creepy. +1 to that. All the best Jim.
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| UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
 Leader of the Pack
 Posts:1156
 | | 10 Dec 2009 10:43 PM |
| Sigh. Received two more e-mails this morning. I would like to kindly ask you to remove the email from your website. Ask your attorney to remind you that it is as simple as blocking my email address from your email to cease receiving any from me. This will be the last one you receive from me, unless you do something that I object against for valid reasons. Seriously, folks, how is this not harassment? Yes, it's mild, but how many times do you have to tell somebody not to contact you directly? I could certainly block her e-mail address, but that's a dangerous thing with someone who is mentally ill. If she's going to send me a series of progressively aggressive e-mails that include threats, I want to know about it. After all, she used to send me instant messages for hours at a time with no response from me. All things considered I feel that leaving one avenue open is a prudent course of action. Of course, if I did block her, she could use all sorts of fake e-mail addresses, so what would be the point? She needs to stop contacting me. It's that simple. Her narcissism is readily apparent in the statement, "...unless you do something that I object against for valid reasons." It's all about her, and I must listen. I don't care if she objects to anything I do or say. If it's illegal, call the police. If it's actionable in civiil court, call an attorney. Let the people equipped to handle it do so, and stay the hell away from me. | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 Posts:1030
 | | 11 Dec 2009 12:03 AM |
| Your attorney wouldn't remind you of any such thing, anyway. Your attorney, if he is any good, would advise you to not respond to her emails, but also to save all correspondence from her, past and future, as evidence of her continuing harassment.
She's a freaking idiot. She still hasn't got the first clue as to what constitutes harassment. The best thing she could do for herself is to STFU. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| Audible Click
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 | | 11 Dec 2009 12:04 AM |
| I suppose since she is emailing you that she's not in the hospital due to her "heart condition". I was really hoping that during the course of whatever medical treatment she was having, someone would somehow notice that she has some mental issues that need addressing. Perhaps she just hides it very well. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
-- Harry Hill | |
| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 11 Dec 2009 12:24 AM |
| I'm willing to bet that she isn't pursuing any medical treatment. She's just trying to get UY's attention with a little self pity fest.
What comes next, I wonder? Will she threaten to slit her wrists if UY doesn't start being "friends" with her again? | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| Sasha
 Newbie
 Posts:11
 | | 11 Dec 2009 12:38 AM |
| What comes next, I wonder? Will she threaten to slit her wrists if UY doesn't start being "friends" with her again? I was wondering the same thing. Seems like the "You'll be sorry when I'm gone" schtick would be about all she's got left at this point. | | | |
| Audible Click
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 | | 11 Dec 2009 12:44 AM |
| Posted By desertgal on 10 Dec 2009 04:24 PM
I'm willing to bet that she isn't pursuing any medical treatment. She's just trying to get UY's attention with a little self pity fest.
What comes next, I wonder? Will she threaten to slit her wrists if UY doesn't start being "friends" with her again? As I posted upthread this could possibly happen and I know it was a rhetorical question DG. I'm still quite concerned about the whole situation, even her latest emails leave her an "out" for emailing UY again. The only good thing about this situation is the fact that these emails were posted on a public forum by UY having a public record of this may come in handy in the future.
| | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
-- Harry Hill | |
| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 11 Dec 2009 12:59 AM |
| Posted By Audible Click on 10 Dec 2009 04:44 PM
As I posted upthread this could possibly happen and I know it was a rhetorical question DG. I'm still quite concerned about the whole situation, even her latest emails leave her an "out" for emailing UY again. The only good thing about this situation is the fact that these emails were posted on a public forum by UY having a public record of this may come in handy in the future. I agree with you. I have no doubt that she will continue to email him. I don't think she can help herself, since it's all about her in her mind. And I also agree that UY posting her emails here is wise. Can't hurt to have witnesses to her harassment. I've encountered a few stupidly self destructive people in my life, and Anita is right at the top of that list. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| Daylightstar
 One of the Gang
 Posts:187
 | | 11 Dec 2009 01:12 AM |
| Jim, you may want to have a look here: title of the linked page: Harassment http://www.letswrap.com/legal/harass.htm The page also deals with restraining orders. From the section "Herassment what is it?": The harasser does not intend for the behavior to make the victim fearful; the harasser is trying to prove "love" for the victim. The law now reflects the understanding that, regardless of the motivation for the conduct, it disrupts the victim's life and may threaten the victim's safety.I am just saying, that if I die, I love you So! In case something happens! I LOVE YOU! And: whether you like it or not, you are a part of my life I've enjoyed having you in my life In her email she wrote twice that she loves you. Now, those statements may or may not have a more platonic motivation but she has also suggested to come to your house for a "layover". This was before she went to Hollywood. She seems to want to suggest (or force upon you) a personal familiarity that isn't there. Also from that page: Criminal harassment is defined as "engag(ing) in intentional conduct which the actor [harasser] knows or has reason to know would cause the victim, under the circumstances, to feel frightened, threatened, oppressed, persecuted, or intimidated; and causes this reaction on the part of the victim. (M.S. § 609.749, Subd. I). Such conduct can include following or pursuing you, returning to your property without your consent, making repeated phone calls, inducing you to make calls, causing your phone to repeatedly ring, repeatedly mailing or delivering unwanted letters, objects, or gifts to you. | | | |
| Daylightstar
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 | | 11 Dec 2009 01:16 AM |
| By the way, I also think you should leave the email here as a record. | | | |
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