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UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 10:16 AM |
| I have taken the step of removing Anita's comment to one of my blogs because it really had nothing to do with the blog itself and because it was likely to elicit responses. I am reproducing it here: In response to the opening post by Jim Carr, I have no reason to favor submitting my paranormal claim to the JREF MDC specifically, since I am not doing this for money or for attention. The purpose is entirely to investigate that claim, and for that there are many resources other than the JREF. Their million dollar prize does not raise them in my regard, not to say that I have anything against their challenge, just that I don't see it as the primary resource. I do however, feel that the JREF is a wonderfully valuable organization, and I do encourage the work that they do in skepticism worldwide. With respect to exposing psychics before they get famous and before they begin to exploit people, I am in favor of such efforts. Although for me personally, I have no ambition of becoming some practicing psychic. My claims are, formally speaking, entirely unverified, and I am headed toward a scientific career. In that sense, Jim Carr's stop-campaign against me is entirely ineffective - since there is nothing to stop in the first place. And, as I have said before, I am tolerant toward his efforts, since also I support the principles behind it. I am a paranormal claimant who considers herself a skeptic, or, a skeptic with a paranormal claim. And no one will be contacting my university, thank you. There is absolutely no affiliation between my university and this paranormal investigation that I do on my spare time, and as a paranormal claimant I do not represent my university in any way. These are two entirely separate aspects of my life. I do not promote pseudoscience, I experience pseudoscience and I investigate it and work to find an explanation for it. I sincerely doubt that my paranormal investigation will hurt my career plans, since all this is, is a scientific approach to an unusual experience, and that should be encouraged, not penalized. I also want to mention that I hold high regards for James Randi. I am a great admirer of his work, I enjoy watching him expose the tricks of fraud psychics. My favorite is the one with the gold dowser that spontaneously took place on the floor of the JREF library. It is brilliant throughout. And I wonder for what other reasons, besides those revealed publicly, Jim Carr is feeling upset with the JREF?
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| UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 11:34 AM |
| Most of what you wrote is the same old stuff we've heard time and again. Repeating yourself doesn't make it any more true. There are a couple of points I do want to address, however.
First, this notion that you can magically separate these aspects of your life is just ridiculous. Anita, these paranormal claims are part of who you are. People at your university already know about them. Didn't you see the article in the school newspaper?
Second, as for "no one will be contacting my university" - it's too late. How do you think the school newspaper found out about the IIG press release? Do you think that they were just surfing the web and stumbled across it? No, somebody sent them a link to the press release. I'm sure that press release was sent to some of the professors and students you know as well. You sought out national attention, and now you have it.
Third, as for your claim of not wanting to become a practicing psychic, that's a flat-out lie. You want to win the Nobel prize for your alleged perceptions. You claim to have used Vibrational Algebra to concoct cures for cancer that you want investigated. Your website at one point had a form for people to request psychic demonstrations. You contacted a group of migraine sufferers and offered to give them treatments. I'm not saying you're going to be the next Sylvia Browne, but it's clear to everyone except you that this is not some hobby you do at parties. By my calculations you in the last year have devoted close to a thousand hours to these claims. It's a big part of your life.
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| VisionFromFeeling I Really, Really Did...Nothing
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 06:56 PM |
| I sent this as a private message to Jim, and he said that he only wants to talk in the open, so here it is:
Jim,
I'm sorry to hear about you being banned. I do think it is a strange story indeed. And I also suspect, although I don't know what to believe, that it might have something to do with your critical blog about the JREF and Randi himself. But they should never express such bias, should they? After all, that is not what Skepticism is all about? Skepticism is about lifting up truth, not about suppressing opposing ideas! Oh well, at least you had chosen to not post at the JREF for a while, so it is not like you are being held from posting? I still do wonder why on earth you would have wanted Guest status. What exactly do you gain from that? If you do not want to post - then simply do not post! Please explain why you wanted Guest status, if you want to ease my curiosity. I thought you might appreciate this: http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5309475&postcount=446
If there are other messages you would like me to refer to the Forums, I can try to work those in my posts. However, I do know that it is very important not to post under a different user and the like, so we'd have to be careful. Well, only one more week left! Yikes!! Anita Ikonen | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
| VisionFromFeeling I Really, Really Did...Nothing
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 07:12 PM |
| Second, as for "no one will be contacting my university" - it's too late. How do you think the school newspaper found out about the IIG press release? Do you think that they were just surfing the web and stumbled across it? No, somebody sent them a link to the press release. I'm sure that press release was sent to some of the professors and students you know as well. You sought out national attention, and now you have it.
Somebody? Was that you? And no I don't seek national attention, I just want a paranormal test. Third, as for your claim of not wanting to become a practicing psychic, that's a flat-out lie. You want to win the Nobel prize for your alleged perceptions. You claim to have used Vibrational Algebra to concoct cures for cancer that you want investigated. Your website at one point had a form for people to request psychic demonstrations. You contacted a group of migraine sufferers and offered to give them treatments. I'm not saying you're going to be the next Sylvia Browne, but it's clear to everyone except you that this is not some hobby you do at parties. By my calculations you in the last year have devoted close to a thousand hours to these claims. It's a big part of your life.
I have absolutely no ambitions of becoming a practicing psychic. I guess I'll just have to show you by example. You will see what I do or don't do, and in the meantime, don't go fussing at me for things that I have not done. And you know perfectly well what the discussion about the Nobel prize was. You said that if I had a paranormal ability, someone else would be entitled to the Nobel prize associated to it and that it wouldn't be me. I then said that I would want to be entitled to my Nobel prize, rather than someone else taking it. That does not mean that I am expecting a Nobel prize. In that case, I should turn it around and say that you are expecting there to be a Nobel prize, because you are the one who brought it up. But yes, I do use Vibrational algebra to calculate cures for diseases. I combine the vibrational information that I feel in things and compute resulting vibrations that I translate back into physical significance, such as a molecule or an electromagnetic structure. That is how I at a young age calculated that calcium carbonate would cure Helicobacter. But this is not a paranormal claim. This will result in research ideas, and like every scientific hypothesis these will go through the very same evaluation process to determine whether they are entitled to further consideration. There is no wrong in that, scientists are supposed to have creative minds. I did ask for people to arrange testing or readings for me and that would have been part of the study I was doing. And as soon as the study process was completed and I had learned enough about my claim to proceed toward the Preliminary demonstration, I withdrew that request. I should also note that no one contacted me about any arrangements. The migraine healing claim is made by the man who received an attempted migraine treatment from me. He reports dramatic results, and I am of course concerned to investigate that further. If I have a true ability of being able to help migraine sufferers, it is in their best interest not mine that I establish that ability and begin offering treatment. But this would be a thoroughly researched and verified practice and I would obtain the appropriate license. I would also take courses to learn more about massage treatment and health care. I am already headed toward a career in science and to offer migraine treatments would spend my spare time, but I would do it for the sake of migraine sufferers. I am a very empathic person, and I would even treat people free of charge. I absolutely do devote a lot of time to these claims, and that is because I enjoy the investigation. I think you need to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_perception because you are not seeing me as I am, but as you think I would be. | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 07:48 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 10:56 AM
I thought you might appreciate this: http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5309475&postcount=446
If there are other messages you would like me to refer to the Forums, I can try to work those in my posts. However, I do know that it is very important not to post under a different user and the like, so we'd have to be careful.
In other words, if you want her to tell more lies about you, Jim, just let her know. Anita's always happiest when she's relating her versions of non truth. I have absolutely no ambitions of becoming a practicing psychic...blah blah blah...
See? | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| VisionFromFeeling I Really, Really Did...Nothing
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 07:54 PM |
| In other words, if you want her to tell more lies about you, Jim, just let her know. Anita's always happiest when she's relating her versions of non truth. What part of this http://forums.randi.org/showpost.ph...tcount=446 is a lie? Or are you lying?
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| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 09:31 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 11:54 AM
In other words, if you want her to tell more lies about you, Jim, just let her know. Anita's always happiest when she's relating her versions of non truth. What part of this http://forums.randi.org/showpost.ph...tcount=446 is a lie? Or are you lying? See what I mean? | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 09:33 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 10:56 AM
I sent this as a private message to Jim, and he said that he only wants to talk in the open, so here it is:
That's a misunderstanding at best and a lie at worst. What I replied was, "Everything I want to say about the issue will be in the blog or the comments section." | | UncaYimmy Web Design and Virtual Marketing | |
| Daylightstar
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 10:13 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 11:12 AM
But yes, I do use Vibrational algebra to calculate cures for diseases. ... ... I would even treat people free of charge. How many people will die because of you?
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| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 10:31 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 11:12 AM
That is how I at a young age calculated that calcium carbonate would cure Helicobacter. Oh, you did not. Just another fantasy. Anita, you are a complete liar. The migraine healing claim is made by the man who received an attempted migraine treatment from me. He reports dramatic results...
Where does he report dramatic results? In that affidavit you falsely claimed to have? Itis just another lie you have made up, so you can pretend to be virtuous. Fact is, there is no evidence that this man made that claim. It's far more likely that you told him you had magically healed his migraines, and he agreed just to get you to shut up and leave him alone. If that werent't the case, you would have some evidence that he actually makes this claim. If I have a true ability of being able to help migraine sufferers...
Which you don't. ...it is in their best interest not mine that I establish that ability and begin offering treatment.
It is in their best interests for you to stay the hell away from them. But this would be a thoroughly researched and verified practice and I would obtain the appropriate license.
There is no such license. It would be pure quackery. More of your lies to make yourself feel virtuous. I would also take courses to learn more about massage treatment and health care.
No, you wouldn't. I am already headed toward a career in science...
Only in your mind. I don't what they've taught you at UNCC, but it isn't science. You're an embarassment to the entire school. I am a very empathic person...
No. You aren't. ...and I would even treat people free of charge.
Which would make you a practicing psychic. For some reason, you think it only counts if you charge money. Another one of your self delusions. I absolutely do devote a lot of time to these claims, and that is because I enjoy the investigation.
Your 'investigation' is a joke. It's laughable. It is as about as far from scientific and skeptical as Arcturus is from planet Earth. You are a complete laughingstock in two communities - the JREFF and and the faculty of your college. You are in this because you are so screwed up, you can't tell reality from fantasy and because you are an attention whore. It's just that simple. I think you need to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_perception because you are not seeing me as I am, but as you think I would be.
You've got that turned around, Anita. We see the reality. You see VisionFromFantasyland. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| UncaYimmy Your Brilliancy
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 10:33 PM |
| Geez, Anita, how many times are we going to rehash this? Clearly, you are lying because you know the story is incomplete and misleading.
* I suggested the possibility of verifying some of the details of the story by phone after discovering you were LYING about having affidavits. In response to this you called me a stalker (jokingly, you later said). So don't give this bullshit about how I was delving into your personal life.
* Once you called me a stalker, joking or not, I took the possibility off the table. It has nothing to do with what I "wanted" to do in regards to calling the guy.
* Despite this, you gave me the phone numbers anyway. One was your boyfriend. The other was your victim. You did not give me his name. You told me that if his wife answered the phone that I was to simply ask to speak to her husband and that I should not mention anything to her about the migraine treatments. Whether you had called me a stalker or not, there is no way I would have attempted to verify your fantasy under those circumstances.
* Why don't you give the phone numbers to someone else? Why only me?
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| VisionFromFeeling I Really, Really Did...Nothing
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 10:40 PM |
| How many people will die because of you? Let's see... giving migraine sufferers a nice, relieving head massage, and a harmless visualization technique. None?
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| VisionFromFeeling I Really, Really Did...Nothing
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 10:42 PM |
| * Why don't you give the phone numbers to someone else? Why only me? Because you're my #1 Skeptic. You know that. You've known me the longest and before you turned sour, you were actually quite a good friend. And I still like to think of you that way, and feel a trust toward you that I don't have toward any of the others.
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| Daylightstar
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 10:50 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 02:40 PM
How many people will die because of you? Let's see... giving migraine sufferers a nice, relieving head massage, and a harmless visualization technique. None?
Funny!
You already were explained in what way it may lead to dead people. You choose to ignore this.
You bypass information or explanations people give you, then you insert something that you prefer as an argument. This is the kind of behaviour that causes you to receive harsh replies. That's what you want?
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| Daylightstar
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 | | 14 Nov 2009 11:22 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 02:42 PM
* Why don't you give the phone numbers to someone else? Why only me? ...
you were actually quite a good friend. And I still like to think of you that way,
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So good in fact, that you offered him to by a webcam and show him your boobs, just to make him less "tempered".
Quite a friendship.
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| VisionFromFeeling I Really, Really Did...Nothing
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 | | 15 Nov 2009 01:31 AM |
| Hm, no. Jim asked me to send him some topless pictures, and I said that I couldn't because I have a boyfriend and he has a wife and because even if I did I would never know where those pictures end up, and because it's not a thing I would do. And I also thought that he might be able to blackmail me with that in the future if I sent him any. So he never received any pictures, nor has he ever seen any part of me over a webcam. I don't even have a webcam. Jim asked me if I had one and I said I didn't. I did, however, tease him from time to time and tell him after he's been rude, that "now he's definitely not going to get those topless pictures", as if I were ever going to send him any. Why are we talking about this? | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
| Farencue
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 | | 15 Nov 2009 01:34 AM |
| Excuse me for being off topic but I note the narcissist amongst us has changed her profile picture again. I myself find that extremely interesting and I am sure a psychiatrist would have an explanation for it. | | | |
| desertgal V.P. of Patient Relations
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 | | 15 Nov 2009 01:37 AM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 05:31 PM
Hm, no. Jim asked me to send him some topless pictures, and I said that I couldn't because I have a boyfriend and he has a wife and because even if I did I would never know where those pictures end up, and because it's not a thing I would do. And I also thought that he might be able to blackmail me with that in the future if I sent him any. So he never received any pictures, nor has he ever seen any part of me over a webcam. I don't even have a webcam. Jim asked me if I had one and I said I didn't. I did, however, tease him from time to time and tell him after he's been rude, that "now he's definitely not going to get those topless pictures", as if I were ever going to send him any. Why are we talking about this? Oh, what a load of crap. Anita, do you ever tell the truth about anything? | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
| Daylightstar
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 | | 15 Nov 2009 02:46 AM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 05:31 PM
Hm, no. ... Hmmm, yes.
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| Daylightstar
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 | | 15 Nov 2009 02:49 AM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 14 Nov 2009 05:31 PM
Hm, no.
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Why are we talking about this?
Hmmm, yes.
We are talking about this because these things define who you are. Or better, what you are like.
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