If you ever get to the point in your education where you are a med student you may be taught the phrase: "If you hear hoofbeats think horses, not Zebras." In other words when you are attempting to diagnose a condition you look at the mundane and obvious explanations and eliminate them one by one before you look for the unusual or exotic condition. You've never really done this with your kidney or migraine claim, you just went straight for the Zebra and ignored all the rest of the hoofbeats. I know we're not going to convince you to use critical thinking, I've realized that for quite awhile. I do hope if you ever do make it into med school that you will have sorted out just what is going on in your mind because if you don't I doubt you'll be able to ever properly take a medical history or diagnose anyone.

Posted By UncaYimmy on 20 Sep 2009 05:28 PM
Anita's ability to ignore questions and relevant evidence is amazing. It's like talking to a brick wall, only the brick wall doesn't think it's more special than all the other brick walls that have come before.

Which is just so weird because NONE of her claims are particularly new.  Here's synesthesia misrepresented by woo:

http://www.nancyanntappe.com

Fun fact:  Nancy Tappe is the crazy lady who gave us the term and the idea of Indigo Children.

So many of VFF's magical powers, visions and ideas are culled from outside sources that her motivatations are suspect.  These previous woo-peddlers are doing well finacially.  VFF isn't smart enough to come up with her own unique brand, so she's trying to create a one-stop woo shop for all your woo needs.  Why go to a ghost hunter and a psychic healer when VFF can offer both.

Posted By Farencue on 20 Sep 2009 09:05 PM
Exactly right Bookitty, poor old Anita isn't even an original woo.
She just recycles a lot of stuff that has been around for years, although I'm sure she is convinced that detecting a missing kidney has never been done before.
What a shame you missed Anita trying to flog her "artwork" on her website - drawings of unborn babies no less.
I wonder why she gave up on that idea, maybe her pencil wasn't sharp enough.

I'm awfully sorry to have missed the babies, it sounds...interesting.

Speaking of woo-palgerism, here's another one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Demkina

Natasha Demkina, is a young woman from Saransk, Russia, who claims to possess a special vision that allows her to look inside human bodies and see organs and tissues, and thereby make medical diagnoses.

ah yes, Natasha.  Poor old Anita has had to endure the pain of Natasha being in front of her in the wooqueue.

Was quite a discussion about it on JREF.

Posted By Farencue on 20 Sep 2009 09:54 PM

ah yes, Natasha.  Poor old Anita has had to endure the pain of Natasha being in front of her in the wooqueue.

Was quite a discussion about it on JREF.

Yup...and in the end, IIRC, the Rhine Rsearch Center declined to examine Anita's claims.

Think about that for a second. The Rhine Research Center-who likely examines the psychic claims of  every winged nut who will let them-turned Anita down flat.

That just says it all.

Posted By Audible Click on 20 Sep 2009 03:26 PM

If you ever get to the point in your education where you are a med student you may be taught the phrase: "If you hear hoofbeats think horses, not Zebras." In other words when you are attempting to diagnose a condition you look at the mundane and obvious explanations and eliminate them one by one before you look for the unusual or exotic condition. You've never really done this with your kidney or migraine claim, you just went straight for the Zebra and ignored all the rest of the hoofbeats. I know we're not going to convince you to use critical thinking, I've realized that for quite awhile. I do hope if you ever do make it into med school that you will have sorted out just what is going on in your mind because if you don't I doubt you'll be able to ever properly take a medical history or diagnose anyone.

Yes, but how does someone correctly describe health information that should not be accessible to ordinary senses of perception? I can not find a mundane explanation for some of my medical perceptions! 

What you guys are missing is that I have not chosen woo, I experience woo and I am investigating that woo. I am not interested in entering the woo economy, I am headed toward a career in conventional medicine. And, I suppose, that is why traditional woo's like the Rhine Research Center, do not want involvement with me.

(I was open-minded about the Rhine Center until I read on their website that they have some sort of "psi" events for kids and so that is why I refer to them as woo.) 

I am in a funny position where neither skeptics nor woo like me. Nobody likes me! 

Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 22 Sep 2009 05:52 PM

Posted By Audible Click on 20 Sep 2009 03:26 PM

If you ever get to the point in your education where you are a med student you may be taught the phrase: "If you hear hoofbeats think horses, not Zebras." In other words when you are attempting to diagnose a condition you look at the mundane and obvious explanations and eliminate them one by one before you look for the unusual or exotic condition. You've never really done this with your kidney or migraine claim, you just went straight for the Zebra and ignored all the rest of the hoofbeats. I know we're not going to convince you to use critical thinking, I've realized that for quite awhile. I do hope if you ever do make it into med school that you will have sorted out just what is going on in your mind because if you don't I doubt you'll be able to ever properly take a medical history or diagnose anyone.

Yes, but how does someone correctly describe health information that should not be accessible to ordinary senses of perception? I can not find a mundane explanation for some of my medical perceptions! 

That's ridiculous.  You need look no farther than the title of this thread! 

The fact that you are unwilling to examine an explanation does not mean that it is not valid.   In fact, your premise - that there is only one possible explanation, the paranormal - makes your opinion suspect.

Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 22 Sep 2009 05:52 PM

Posted By Audible Click on 20 Sep 2009 03:26 PM

If you ever get to the point in your education where you are a med student you may be taught the phrase: "If you hear hoofbeats think horses, not Zebras." In other words when you are attempting to diagnose a condition you look at the mundane and obvious explanations and eliminate them one by one before you look for the unusual or exotic condition. You've never really done this with your kidney or migraine claim, you just went straight for the Zebra and ignored all the rest of the hoofbeats. I know we're not going to convince you to use critical thinking, I've realized that for quite awhile. I do hope if you ever do make it into med school that you will have sorted out just what is going on in your mind because if you don't I doubt you'll be able to ever properly take a medical history or diagnose anyone.

Yes, but how does someone correctly describe health information that should not be accessible to ordinary senses of perception? I can not find a mundane explanation for some of my medical perceptions! 

No Anita, it's not that you "can not find" a mundane explanation for your unproven perceptions, it's that you  will not attempt to explain them in any other way except paranormal.  You won't consider the possibility that you imgine the things you claim to do.  You will not test any simple aspect of many of your claims.  You invent roadblocks and excuses to justify avoiding any test that has a chance of falsifying any of your numerous claims.  And don't bother bringing up the supposed IIG test as you have not posted a protocol accepted by you and IIG or a date for the test to happen.

ETA: It was me with the zebra and horses analogy, UY.

Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 22 Sep 2009 05:57 PM

What you guys are missing is that I have not chosen woo, I experience woo and I am investigating that woo.

We're not "missing" it-we just don't believe it. How many times does that have to be explained to you? We. get. what. you. are. saying.  We. simply. don't. believe. you.

I am not interested in entering the woo economy, I am headed toward a career in conventional medicine. And, I suppose, that is why traditional woo's like the Rhine Research Center, do not want involvement with me.

No, the Rhine Research Center does not want involvement with you because they understand that your claims are bullshit. Do you honestly think that it didn't occur to the good "doctor"to track the history of your claims? One good read of your convoluted website, the JREFF threads, and this site had him running for the hills.

(I was open-minded about the Rhine Center until I read on their website that they have some sort of "psi" events for kids and so that is why I refer to them as woo.) 

Yeah, okay. Didn't stop you from approaching them, and if they had expressed any interest in examining your claims, you'd have been more than eager to participate.  Go play that con somewhere else. It doesn't fly here.

I am in a funny position where neither skeptics nor woo like me. Nobody likes me! 

"Nobody likes me"? What is this, second grade? We don't like or dislike you. We do detest the actions and behavior that you have exhibited to us for nearly a year now. You have shown us that you are a liar and a fraud. You have shown us that you are conceited, revoltingly arrogant, totally lacking in empathy, falsely disingenuous, unethical, unconscionable, and endlessly manipulative.You've never given anyone here a single reason to believe otherwise.

Go play the "poor me" card somewhere else. We've already called that bluff.

Try seeking mental health care. With help and effort, you'll get healthy, be liked for who you are, and you won't need to seek refuge in all of this delusional crap. Until then, get used to being seen as all of the above.

Posted By Farencue on 22 Sep 2009 08:17 PM
Desertgal
Maybe you can answer this one?
WHY does poor old Anita keep persisting when "nobody likes her"? When it is obvious to all (and must be to her as well) that nobody believes her?
Poor old Anita obviously thinks we are deaf and blind hence her repeating her nonsense ad nauseam, yet she just refuses to get that we actually don't care what she says - we simply do not believe her.

Attention mostly, I think, which results in an odd sort of self gratification. Even negative attention is attention. She'll keep going as long as we're still adressing what she has to say, just for that purpose. It's the downside to the "Stop" effort. What she doesn't see-or refuses to acknowledge-is that the more she posts, the more apparent it becomes that something just isn't right with her mind. If her intention is correcting what she views as "misinterpretations", she fails across the board.

As well, as she has proven with UY, she's constantly, and transparently, manipulative. She can't stop trying to manipulate us.

thanks Desertgal - some of the tripe Anita is sending to uncaYimmy is scary in that mentally ill way.