VisionFromFeeling
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 | | 14 Sep 2009 04:45 AM |
| You're right, speaking with the two persons isn't good enough as evidence, since they could lie if they wanted to. That is also why I still don't take what the man who had the migraines has said as truth because his improvement is just unbelievable. Still, if a good Skeptic wants to talk to these people, that offer still stands.
Obviously I want to try the migraine treatment with a Skeptic. That is why I was really hoping for LightinDarkness to stick to his offer. | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
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Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 13 Sep 2009 08:45 PM
You're right, speaking with the two persons isn't good enough as evidence, since they could lie if they wanted to. That is also why I still don't take what the man who had the migraines has said as truth because his improvement is just unbelievable. Still, if a good Skeptic wants to talk to these people, that offer still stands.
Obviously I want to try the migraine treatment with a Skeptic. That is why I was really hoping for LightinDarkness to stick to his offer.
So what you are saying is that there is no good reason for anyone to call these people. Interesting, you've spent so much time trying to use that as evidence. Now for the big question. Why should any skeptic waste their time letting you attempt to mess with their brain? Please show one piece of evidence that is not anecdotal. | | | |
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VisionFromFeeling
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| | 14 Sep 2009 05:32 AM |
| If a Skeptic who suffers from migraines lets me try the migraine treatment with them, either way they win. If the treatment is not successful, they will have the pleasure of telling everyone that I failed, and don't Skeptics like to do that? And if the treatment is successful, the Skeptic has milder migraines. They can't lose. | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
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bookitty
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| | 14 Sep 2009 05:36 AM |
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Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 13 Sep 2009 09:32 PM
If a Skeptic who suffers from migraines lets me try the migraine treatment with them, either way they win. If the treatment is not successful, they will have the pleasure of telling everyone that I failed, and don't Skeptics like to do that? And if the treatment is successful, the Skeptic has milder migraines. They can't lose.
Please show one piece of evidence that is not anecdotal. | | | |
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| | 14 Sep 2009 06:35 AM |
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Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 13 Sep 2009 08:26 PM
Posted By desertgal on 13 Sep 2009 06:05 PM
I know confusion is common for [attention] whores, but try to concentrate.
Posted By desertgal http://forums.randi.org/showpost.ph...count=1091
I have successfully battled with schizotypal disorder for nearly 30 years.
Posted By desertgal http://forums.randi.org/showpost.ph...count=1231
I was diagnosed with the disorder before you were born, and I have successfully battled it longer than you have been alive. I've been where you are now. I know, intimately, how real delusions can be...how intoxicating, how much fun, how special they can make one feel. At least I'm not struggling with certain other personal issues.
Wow. Insight from a woman who knows me so well she doesn't even know my real name. You'll have to enlighten me, Anita. What "certain other personal issues" am I struggling with? Do tell. Confusion is common for what you have too.
No. It actually isn't. Careful, Anita, your ignorant bigotry is showing.  | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 14 Sep 2009 09:12 AM |
| Anita, does your "vision from feeling" tell you that Desert Gal has personal issues? Is that a new claim of yours? If so how how can we test it? Please reply to these questions when you post again. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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| | 14 Sep 2009 10:05 AM |
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Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 13 Sep 2009 08:26 PM
At least I'm not struggling with certain other personal issues. Confusion is common for what you have too.
 And your the queen of empathy running into metaphorically burning buildings lady? For god sakes, if you want skeptics, they'll treat things skeptically! You've been given HUGE amounts of incredibly polite help and people have been explicit in describing tests which would take crap all effort or prep to you that could prove once and for all the you have one of your many claimed abilities. And in all this time we have never seen a single flipping test! But still when people pick apart your reasoning as being flawed and the reitterate fact that you've submitted nothing to back up your claim in ALL THIS TIME the teeth come out as if your some how suprised that the skeptics are here to pick apart your story and look for other answers... (You may be able to tell I'm finally working my way through all of VFF's original threads, I had a lot of catching up to do) | | | |
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bookitty
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| | 14 Sep 2009 10:21 AM |
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Posted By StevenCalder on 14 Sep 2009 02:05 AM
(You may be able to tell I'm finally working my way through all of VFF's original threads, I had a lot of catching up to do)
Vivid, isn't it. | | | |
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| | 14 Sep 2009 10:54 PM |
| Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 13 Sep 2009 09:32 PM
If a Skeptic who suffers from migraines lets me try the migraine treatment with them, either way they win. If the treatment is not successful, they will have the pleasure of telling everyone that I failed, and don't Skeptics like to do that? And if the treatment is successful, the Skeptic has milder migraines. They can't lose. And this is exactly why unlicensed people are not allowed to play at medicine. Anita, we are focusing on your 'strongest ability'. Remember that? The kidney detection? Sorry of you've got bored of that one now but you can't keep jumping around claims anymore. Kideney detection is supposedly your strongest claim, that's what's getting tested. That's what the IIG are wasting their time with you on at the moment. Migraine testing. Will. Not. Be. Happening. If you wish to proceed with trying to heal Migraine sufferers without prior consent from the American Medical Association, or a legitimate license, please let us know and we will contact the appropriate organisations. You have been warned. | | | |
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UncaYimmy
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| | 14 Sep 2009 11:43 PM |
| It amazes me that even when we take her claim seriously (hypothetically, of course), she doesn't even acknowledge the danger of sending "voltage" into the optic nerves or transmitting "light" into the brain. Any scientist who attempted such a thing for real on a human would be thrown in jail. Anita's defense? These are happy thoughts that can only do good. What an ego!
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| | 15 Sep 2009 12:47 AM |
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Posted By UncaYimmy on 14 Sep 2009 03:43 PM
It amazes me that even when we take her claim seriously (hypothetically, of course), she doesn't even acknowledge the danger of sending "voltage" into the optic nerves or transmitting "light" into the brain. Any scientist who attempted such a thing for real on a human would be thrown in jail. Anita's defense? These are happy thoughts that can only do good. What an ego!
Yea this I find a very odd rationalization on her part. She says she doesn't understand her abilites, but feels confident enough to gamble with peoples brains with the assumption she would be able to "feel" if something bad were going to happen. She pays atleast lip service to idea that practicing without a licence would be immoral, but running around in peoples brains with vibrational energy she doesn't fully understand is fine? She seems to understand the moral implications and dismiss them all at the same time. It can't simply be fuzzy thinking I'd say, there has to be atleast an element of intelectual dishonesty going on there, or at the very least some very serious compartmentalization. Its quite intresting really! ETA: Completely off topic - Out of curiousity why does the forum appear out of date if Im logged out btw? Threads are missing new posts/edits etc | | | |
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desertgal
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| | 15 Sep 2009 01:27 AM |
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Posted By UncaYimmy on 14 Sep 2009 03:43 PM
It amazes me that even when we take her claim seriously (hypothetically, of course), she doesn't even acknowledge the danger of sending "voltage" into the optic nerves or transmitting "light" into the brain. Any scientist who attempted such a thing for real on a human would be thrown in jail. Anita's defense? These are happy thoughts that can only do good. What an ego!
Likely a sign that, deep down inside, Anita knows none of this is true, even though she refuses to acknowledge it, so she also knows she doesn't pose any real danger to anyone. At least, not medically. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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| | 15 Sep 2009 02:12 AM |
| Steven - The forum software relies on your timezone setting as well as me setting the timezone for the server properly. If you're not logged in, it doesn't know your timezone nor does it know what posts you've read. That said, I am looking into issues with the timezone setting. | | UncaYimmy
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desertgal
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| | 15 Sep 2009 03:03 AM |
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Posted By Ashles on 14 Sep 2009 02:54 PM
If you wish to proceed with trying to heal Migraine sufferers without prior consent from the American Medical Association, or a legitimate license, please let us know and we will contact the appropriate organisations.
You have been warned.
I'm sure it goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, that Ashles and I see eye to eye on this particular subject-and two voices can be heard even more clearly than one. Going by your explicit statements about your previous 'treatment' of the migraine sufferer, you've already violated the Medical Practice Act of North Carolina, Anita. The only thing standing between you and an investigation by the Board of Medical Examiners is the fact that no one has sworn out a complaint against you. Once someone does, the Board is obligated, by law, to initiate an investigation to decide if there is any substance to the complaint. I have no qualms about swearing out just such a complaint if you continue the way you have begun. And you can spare us your endless babble about how ethical and caring and careful you are. You aren't, and we know it. Stick to the phony test preparations for your missing kidney nonsense. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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bookitty
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| | 15 Sep 2009 06:57 AM |
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Posted By desertgal on 14 Sep 2009 07:03 PM
Stick to the phony test preparations for your missing kidney nonsense.
That's not going to happen. Oh not because Vff is in any way opposed. But because the IIG is dragging their heels. Link And in the same post, VFF refuses to look into even the possibility that the migraine test would be dangerous. Even though (as UncaYimmy pointed out) by her own definition of how it works, it has great potential for harm. | | | |
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| | 17 Sep 2009 05:41 AM |
| The mind boggles at Anita's modus operandi, Im sure Brent Atwater never copped this much flak from the skeptics.
It appears that Anita is seeking something akin to notoriety.
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VisionFromFeeling
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| | 19 Sep 2009 11:28 PM |
| Posted By desertgal on 14 Sep 2009 07:03 PM
Going by your explicit statements about your previous 'treatment' of the migraine sufferer, you've already violated the Medical Practice Act of North Carolina, Anita. The only thing standing between you and an investigation by the Board of Medical Examiners is the fact that no one has sworn out a complaint against you. Once someone does, the Board is obligated, by law, to initiate an investigation to decide if there is any substance to the complaint.
I have no qualms about swearing out just such a complaint if you continue the way you have begun. And you can spare us your endless babble about how ethical and caring and careful you are. You aren't, and we know it.
What specificly have I done in violation of the Medical Practice Act of North Carolina? And do not try to blackmail me. You will not dictate what I do or what I say. I do appreciate bringing up to attention any risks involved with attempting to treat migraines, but I do not enjoy being depicted as something I am not and accused of things I have not done nor intend to do. | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
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VisionFromFeeling
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| | 19 Sep 2009 11:32 PM |
| The mind boggles at Anita's modus operandi, Im sure Brent Atwater never copped this much flak from the skeptics. It appears that Anita is seeking something akin to notoriety.
I investigate my paranormal experiences from the skeptical point of view. I have not chosen those experiences, but I experience them, and I search for an explanation for them, and that should be encouraged. | | | She's simultaneously the worst woo and the worst skeptic I've ever seen. That's no small accomplishment. | |
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desertgal
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| | 20 Sep 2009 01:53 AM |
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Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 19 Sep 2009 03:28 PM
What specificly have I done in violation of the Medical Practice Act of North Carolina? And do not try to blackmail me. You will not dictate what I do or what I say. I do appreciate bringing up to attention any risks involved with attempting to treat migraines, but I do not enjoy being depicted as something I am not and accused of things I have not done nor intend to do.
"Blackmail"? Please. Look up the definition of the word before you use it. At no point have I tried to blackmail you. Nor do I believe that I can dictate what you do or say. But the law can, and will, if necessary, no matter how many lies, half truths, misleading statements, and different versions you offer them. I believe you are a liar. I believe you are unethical, completely lacking in empathy, and, quite possibly, mentally unstable. You have provided nothing that persuades me to believe otherwise. If I feel that your continuing unethical behavior poses a threat to the wellbeing of others, I will file a complaint with the State Medical Board and initiate an investigation into your actions. It will be up to them, by law, to decide if any violation has occirred, and take the appropriate action. If you don't like it, tough. And I could give a flying fig what the statutes that regulate the Board of Massage Therapists state. You are off in La La Land, talking about reflexology. I am in the real world,. addressing the issue of you violating the Medical Practice Act. Two very different things. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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UncaYimmy
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| | 20 Sep 2009 03:08 AM |
| Anita claimed on the JREF, "UncaYimmy did once try to talk me into giving him ownership and access to my website." This is at best a misleading statement and at worst a lie. We were discussing on the JREFF Forums what Anita would give up if she ever took the IIG test and subsequently failed. I did not trust her to actually retract her claims, so I suggested that she transfer her website over to me. It's right here in black and white.
Anita, what are you offering up in return for all this effort you are childishly demanding requesting from people? I asked you already what claims your failure would falsify, but you ignored that post. BTW, you should stop ignoring posts. It;s very rude.
If you fail the kidney detection test, what claims will you declare officialy debunked? Please be very specific.
You said you would sign a paper saying you wouldn't make excuses. Fine, what is the penalty if you do? Will you put money in escrow to be forfeited if you break your word?
If you fail the kidney test, will you put in big bold letters on your website "My Claim Has Been Falsified" and rewrite the site so that it is very clear to everyone that you don't have any ability nor do you believe you might have any ability? We could write up an agreement that if you fail, the domain is transferred over to me or you pay me $10,000.
Do you see what I am driving at here? You're risking nothing. For all we know you will treat this like you treated your failure at reading photos - you'll just move on to another claim. You'll say, "I only ever detected a missing kidney one time. This does not falsify my ability. It just shows that I'm not good at detecting missing kidneys. I need to study why I was able to do it before but not this time. My Main Claim has not be falsified."
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