Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 11 Sep 2009 06:54 PM
The only reason I brought up the past incident where the attempted treatment I gave coincided with dramatic improvement in a man's migraine condition was because since that experience I am curious about investigating it. And if all it leads to is falsification, I will be happy to write adetailed report on my website as an example of an investigated and thereafter falsified paranormal claim, as that would make a huge contribution to skepticism. But another reason is, if I were able to treat migraines I'd have every incentive to establish that skill, obtain a license and begin practice. NOT for money or my personal gain, but for the sake of migraine sufferers.

It's like when you rush into a burning building to save someone's life. You don't do it thinking "what kind of awards and praise am I going to get for doing this?", but you do it knowing that you might be able to spare a human being from suffering.Also, my career will be in conventional medicine, and although I understand the valid concern that many people try to enter a woo economy it does not apply to me and I do not appreciate false conclusions about my character and to be called a liar when I defend my position.

Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 11 Sep 2009 06:54 PM
The only reason I brought up the past incident where the attempted treatment I gave coincided with dramatic improvement in a man's migraine condition was because since that experience I am curious about investigating it. And if all it leads to is falsification, I will be happy to write a detailed report on my website as an example of an investigated and thereafter falsified paranormal claim, as that would make a huge contribution to skepticism. But another reason is, if I were able to treat migraines I'd have every incentive to establish that skill, obtain a license and begin practice. NOT for money or my personal gain, but for the sake of migraine sufferers.

It's like when you rush into a burning building to save someone's life. You don't do it thinking "what kind of awards and praise am I going to get for doing this?", but you do it knowing that you might be able to spare a human being from suffering. Also, my career will be in conventional medicine, and although I understand the valid concern that many people try to enter a woo economy it does not apply to me and I do not appreciate false conclusions about my character and to be called a liar when I defend my position.

Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 11 Sep 2009 06:54 PM
The only reason I brought up the past incident where the attempted treatment I gave coincided with dramatic improvement in a man's migraine condition was because since that experience I am curious about investigating it. And if all it leads to is falsification, I will be happy to write a detailed report on my website as an example of an investigated and thereafter falsified paranormal claim, as that would make a huge contribution to skepticism. But another reason is, if I were able to treat migraines I'd have every incentive to establish that skill, obtain a license and begin practice. NOT for money or my personal gain, but for the sake of migraine sufferers.

It's like when you rush into a burning building to save someone's life. You don't do it thinking "what kind of awards and praise am I going to get for doing this?", but you do it knowing that you might be able to spare a human being from suffering. Also, my career will be in conventional medicine, and although I understand the valid concern that many people try to enter a woo economy it does not apply to me and I do not appreciate false conclusions about my character and to be called a liar when I defend my position.

Posted By desertgal on 11 Sep 2009 07:36 PM
As I said:

"I expect that Anita will now try to convince you, over and over again, with the same poor anecdotal evidence, that she does, in fact, have "good reason" (good reason=pretty pictures in her mind) to "suspect" (suspect=believe) that she has the "ability" (ability=self deception) to heal. ...

Posted By Maia on 11 Sep 2009 09:24 PM
... I'm the biggest Topamax fan ever ... One thing I can tell you is that a good neuromuscular therapist ...(tension headaches, teeth grinding and clenching leading to TMJ problems, neck pain, shoulder pain, etc.)

Posted By VFF
"it's like when you rush into a burning building to save someone's life. You don't do it thinking "what kind of awards and praise am I going to get for doing this?", but you do it knowing that you might be able to spare a human being from suffering."

Posted By StevenCalder on 12 Sep 2009 01:12 AM

As for the teeth grinding etc, I just made the connection. 5 years ago I started having migraines, 4 years ago I started grinding my teeth in my sleep like crazy. It drives my girlfriend nuts. I can't believe I never made that connection, d'oh!

My dentist made a night guard, a rubbery thing that I wear on my top teeth when I sleep.  It has helped immensely.  I no longer wake up with headaches.  (Migraines are bad enough, the associated headaches are just insult to injury)  It will make you drool like a St. Bernard smelling steak, so get your own personal pillow.

Anyway I wasn't entirely sure why everyone was so frustrated with VFF at first, but im starting to get it! Would I be right in thinking one element would be the crazily cherry picked language she uses to make sure she sounds like a incredibly heroic martyr? The previous post being a prime example.

I've had experiences with people suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.   (Well, not quite.  We suffer, it's skittles and beer for them.)   They will do anything to maintain whatever fallacy gives them the necessary psychotic ego-boost they need.

Vff is a fine example.  For some reason, her fantasy life revolves around skeptics accepting her abilities.  It's not good enough to fool the woo-believers.  In her mind, she is accepting a Nobel Prize in medicine for a miraculous, completely unique talent.

It doesn't matter that her so-called abilities are commonplace in woo-land, or even that they don't exist.  She will never let go of this vision from fantasy.  It is more real to her than her actual future.

Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 12 Sep 2009 11:30 AM

2. So dramatic! You CLAIM you helped some person with migraines, that hardly compares to rescuing someone from a burning building.

What you said is disrespectful to those who suffer from severe migraines.

I do not practice woo. I experience it in my personal time and in the true nature of science I investigate it.

I seriously doubt I would lose career opportunities due to this investigation. I have done nothing unethical.

Actually I am the one in disbelief.

Oh, so if you think you might have healed in the past (because it coincinded with improvement in the past) and someone is in desperate help you would not at least try? And don't forget, there was dramatic improvement.

Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 12 Sep 2009 11:43 AM
There was a JREF Forum member LightinDarkness who offered to let me attempt to heal his migraines. He lives only some two hours from me, but he is so utterly convinced that if I fail to improve his migraines I would not allow the healing claim to be falsified, that he has changed his mind. Strange, since the only thing that could falsify the healing claim, is if I attempt to heal someone and it doesn't work, especially if that someone is a Skeptic. So his reasoning makes no sense.

Also, it was arranged so that Jim Carr could call my boyfriend and ask about how I caused a great improvement in his chronic shoulder pain condition and call the man whom I attempted to heal for migraines, but because I jokingly called Jim a stalker it gave him an appropriate excuse to not investigate and to say that these persons do not exist. 

The only way my claims can be properly falsified is if Skeptics are involved and obtain evidence against the claims. I would so love to reach toward final conclusions in my claims. Obviously I can neither prove nor disprove my claims on my own, and that is the reason why I am talking with Skeptics.

Posted By UncaYimmy on 12 Sep 2009 01:40 AM
Steven, I think you've just seen the tip of the iceberg with VFF. It's not just healing and seeing inside the body. It's all sorts of crazy stuff like talking to ghosts. Go the Claims forum and read the threads about Ben Franklin's Ghost and Civil War Battlefields. You'll see that it's a bunch of nonsense based on her own imagination, which is not all that imaginative since she gets her ideas from TV shows.

And then read her claims about being able to detect what medicinal effects certain foods have. You see, Anita possesses the amazing ability to look at a kumquat and determine that it can cure arthritis. It's done using her Vibrational Algebra, which is the same technique used to cure migraines suffered by victims of arson.

Posted By VisionFromFeeling on 12 Sep 2009 11:30 AM

1. No you won't, past experience shows you won't even post the raw data from a study that you failed.

The scanner is out after we had to get a new computer.

Oh so the scanner somehow does not work with the new computer, and in months you have been unable to find another scanner? Man, someone should form a collection for the University of North Carolina. They don't even have a scanner.
Yet another very poor excuse.

2. So dramatic! You CLAIM you helped some person with migraines, that hardly compares to rescuing someone from a burning building.

What you said is disrespectful to those who suffer from severe migraines.

No, what you have said is disrespectful to people with migraines and people who actually save people from burning buildings. Likening your imaginary pictures to people who actually make a difference in the world makes us all a little sick.

3. If anyone was going to employ you after you complete your education and did, what most employers hiring for a medical position do, they would check you out online see your website, this website, and the JREFF and say "Thanks but no thanks." due to liability reasons not to mention that hospitals, medical research centers, etc. do NOT practice woo.

I do not practice woo. I experience it in my personal time and in the true nature of science I investigate it. I seriously doubt I would lose career opportunities due to this investigation. I have done nothing unethical.

Except that you don't investigate it. You pretend to, but never actually do, and reject all genuine attempts to do so. 2 years in and not a single Test carried out. Not one. Please, your scam is pretty obvious to everyone. Nobody thinks you have any genuine ability. Nobody thinks you will ever carry out a real Test.

"I expect that Anita will now try to convince you, over and over again, with the same poor anecdotal evidence, that she does, in fact, have "good reason" (good reason=pretty pictures in her mind) to "suspect" (suspect=believe) that she has the "ability" (ability=self deception) to heal.

Like I said many times earlier, it is not I who think I can heal. It is those that I have attempted to heal who experienced dramatic improvement in their chronic pain condition. Two out of three did not know that I was attempting to heal them, and the third (the migraine condition) did know what I was attempting to do. I want to find out if I can consistently produce the same improvement in people's migraine condition, since if I can, there would be many people who would appreciate the help. I would obtain a license of course.  

We don't believe you. Is that clear enough? We think you are lying. And we also will do everythng we can to keep you away from any attempts to 'heal' anyone until you carry out some of the ther tests you claim you can do.
You should not be permitted near anyone with genuine medical conditions with any attempt to cure/heal/whatever them.
I personally will report you if you attempt to do so. And believe me I couldn't care less if you are kicked off campus or out of the country - if you attempt to diagnose/treat medical conditions you are breaking the law and will suffer the consequences. I won't have others potentially damaged by your personal delusions and craving for attention.

Or maybe she is simply trying convince herself. Who knows at this point? Either way, she's not so good at understanding that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (or even any factual evidence at all).

Actually I am the one in disbelief.

Actually no, you are the credulous one.

A) Lying about your talents. You know that you can do nothing of the sort. Therefore when you "treat" a person with migraines, you are lying to them and taking advantage of the fact that they are desperate. This makes you a liar and a fraud.

I am sorry to disappoint your negative expectations but I have not lied about the attempted migraine treatment.

So you have lied about other things? At last something we agree on.

B) Convinced you have these talents. You already admit that they are untested, that you are in the development and experimental stage. You do not know if this works, has any negative long term effects, can lead to blindness, damage the mind or even kill a person.

Actually I am not convinced, and that is why I want to study this again with other migraine sufferers, preferably Skeptic ones. And I am sure what I do is harmless.

No, the migraine studies are off the table. Concentrate on your 'strongest abilty', the Kidney Detection test. Or if tests other than your 'stongest claim' are suddenly now permissable then we have a selection you should try. Crushed pill test, foot-in-shoe detection etc.
The migraine test is neither your strongest claim nor an easy test so forget about it. Ain't gonna happen.

By "treating" someone without knowing anything about what you are doing, you are casually risking their health for your own curiosity. Like a baby serial killer dissecting live animals. So you are psychotic & a danger to society.

In accordance with what is involved in an attempted healing, I see and feel in great detail the effects on the body from what I do. If I were to induce harm I would of course feel that harm and be able to steer away from it. All I know and all that matters is that his migraine condition improved greatly, whether it was due to what I thought I was doing, or due to inducing positive expectation or placebo in him does not matter. These people suffer and if anything helps, they are entitled to it.

No it is your delsion, and no-one else should suffer from it.
Your are a self-obsessed fantasist who doesn't care about others as you have already demonstrated.

C) I am not convinced but those that I have attempted to heal are convinced and there was dramatic improvement in each case. I can not assume a healing ability but what ever it is if I can produce consistent results I will look into obtaining a license and practicing migraine treatment. For their benefit not mine, I am already headed toward a career in conventional science and medicine.

Like I say you are headed towards no career at all if you try to practise medicine wthout a license.
Oh and is it suddenly now a medical license you are getting? Turning your back on the physics route? Or still indulging your little fantasy of being an expert in everything? (Despite all evidence pointing to the contrary)
You've got a real shock coming when you leave University.

Anyway I wasn't entirely sure why everyone was so frustrated with VFF at first, but im starting to get it! Would I be right in thinking one element would be the crazily cherry picked language she uses to make sure she sounds like a incredibly heroic martyr? The previous post being a prime example.

Oh, so if you think you might have healed in the past (because it coincinded with improvement in the past) and someone is in desperate help you would not at least try? And don't forget, there was dramatic improvement. For me to not offer to try would have been irresponsible of me.

Your behaviour is fairly repugnant.
You have a delusion that your magic imagination has an effect, and somehow you twist this into a 'responsibility' to use it when you see suffering? You sound like an 8 year old waving their fingers at dady's headache to help it. It really is time for you to grow up Anita.
If you had a shred of 'responsibility' you would undertake testing that didn't involve people first. You have made many claims suitable for such testing. Or you would engage a University and undertake responsible testing.
But you don't - you invent your own unilateral testing and only involve other random goups until they explain to you that your proposed testing is childish and useless and then move on to the next random group.
You are incredibly irresponsible, but remember we are here to rein in your more dangerous behaviour. And we will.

You see, Anita possesses the amazing ability to look at a kumquat and determine that it can cure arthritis. It's done using her Vibrational Algebra, which is the same technique used to cure migraines suffered by victims of arson.

None of what you said here is true or part of my claim.

But it is making the point that none of those things are less stupid or random than many parts of your claim.

I've had experiences with people suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. (Well, not quite. We suffer, it's skittles and beer for them.) They will do anything to maintain whatever fallacy gives them the necessary psychotic ego-boost they need.

My claims are based on true experiences. If only you knew.

No they aren't. You are a liar and a fraud.

Vff is a fine example. For some reason, her fantasy life revolves around skeptics accepting her abilities. It's not good enough to fool the woo-believers. In her mind, she is accepting a Nobel Prize in medicine for a miraculous, completely unique talent.

Not at all. I just don't want to be lied about. And the talk about the Nobel Prize was back when Jim said that if I had an ability someone else would be entitled to the Nobel Prize from the discovery of my paranormal ability, and I said that I would demand that I'd be entitled to it. I don't expect a Nobel Prize. I just said that I wouldn't want some other parasite to take it away from me, if there were to be one.

Whoah, 'Parasite'?
And there's the real Anita, always just under the surface. The one who craves attention above all else.
A genuine scientific researcher doing the work on testing you would be a 'Parasite'?
Hate to share the old attention spotlight doncha?

Remember Anita on this website you will hear the truth without any sugar coating. You will probably not like what you hear, but, unlike you, I will tell the truth.

And you will not be getting any form of medical license just to lay out your fantasies - believe me they will not grant you one. Any such tests would be conducted by a real doctor or not at all.
Sure as hell not by you.

Posted By Ashles on 12 Sep 2009 03:36 PM
I also find it interesting that Anta chooses as her Avatar an image that is almost the most cliche example of attention seeking you could really think of - the Peacock (or a bird that certainly resembles a Peacock).

Posted By bookitty on 12 Sep 2009 04:01 PM

Funny thing is - Not a single one of her claims make her special.  The body work is the same as the faith healers.  (Although some of them put on a better show, pulling out chunks of bloody flesh and all that), a gazillion people have seen ghosts, every attention whore psychology student goes through their synesthesia phase, and there are tons of people peddling woo.  How many people have approached the JREF with a claim, have tested or been asked to test and then strung people along? 

It's amazing how convinced she is of being unique when a five minute web-search could bring up hundreds of people making the same claim and many of them doing it better.