I have to agree with the original poster - this is vile.

I have been contact by VFF in response to this previous post of mine:
A buddy of mine was born with one kidney, has a replacement from surviving testicular cancer, and is right now in the hospital recovering from titanium implants in an arm & leg (motorcycle wreck).

As it says, my friend is currently in the hospital getting titanium implants to repair both his leg and arm as a result of a horrific motorcycle accident. VFF wants to know if he is in her area and if she can scan him.

I am sickened and appalled. It is bad enough to be worried about my friend but for someone to take this heartbreaking situation and try to use it for the glorification of their own narcissistic delusion is beyond insulting. She claims to be a healer. That hasn't yet been disproved but it is safe to say that her bedside manner is repugnant.

Especially since a test where the medical problems have been spelled out in detail would be utterly useless. There was no point at all to this vile little message.

Do you remember that I once asked you about Asperger's Syndrome in relation to Vision from Feeling? I was thinking at the time about her apparent inability to grasp the social niceties that we use in our dealings with each other.

I recall that you explained to me that there were reasons to discount AS, but I can't stop thinking about how much this aspect of Anita's behaviour reminds me of a relative of mine whom I know suffers from this complaint.

It's almost as if she doesn't have that little internal voice that most of us have. The one that says "Think before you speak ." Or in this case type. When I was a kid my parents were constantly on my case about that, good thing it worked.

We need to change the mantra over on the VfF threads to "You are a VILE liar and a fraud."

Ahh but you see you don't have her permission to include the word "vile" thus you would be attacking the arguer.

Now this is interesting. I found this site through the JREF forum while looking for more information on that vile creature. And here I am already.

I've contacted a mod on the JREF to remove that post. It is overly emotional and doesn't really add to the conversation. I typed before I cooled off. But I am so grateful to see it mentioned here. I read her PM about 10 minutes after hearing that my buddy is still in ICU, that I wont be able to see him until Saturday and that he may not coherent then. It's difficult to express how her trite little request affected me. If anyone is interested, I can post the my response to her. it sums it up nicely.

Please do post the response and welcome to the forum.

Posted By Akhenaten on 02 Sep 2009 06:03 PM
Do you remember that I once asked you about Asperger's Syndrome in relation to Vision from Feeling? I was thinking at the time about her apparent inability to grasp the social niceties that we use in our dealings with each other.

I recall that you explained to me that there were reasons to discount AS, but I can't stop thinking about how much this aspect of Anita's behaviour reminds me of a relative of mine whom I know suffers from this complaint.

Well, I should amend what I said to you previously to state that some of Anita's behavior is consistent with AS, and it shouldn't be ruled out. But, then, failing to grasp social niceties is consistent with several other personality disorders, as well, including narcissistic personaliity disorder.

Thank you for the welcome.

My response is below. Please, please keep in mind that I was both scared for my friend and beyond angry at her presumption. Normally I do attempt to be rational.

I can not believe the cruelty of this message. Did you not notice the part where I said my friend was CURRENTLY in the hospital from a motorcycle wreck?

Currently means RIGHT NOW. As a matter of fact he is still in the ICU, because I am not family I wont be able to see him until Saturday. Between the head trauma and the intense amount of painkillers, he may not recognize me.

So the last thing I want to do is ask him if some dizzy attention whore from the deep south can pretend to use him for some bogus experiment that will never happen.

Even if he was available to be used in your little scheme, the fact that you already KNOW what is wrong with him would make this test useless.

Please go peddle your sick scam elsewhere. The fact that you would even send this proves that you are no healer, that every thing you do is only to further your own narcissistic delusion.

Posted By bookitty on 02 Sep 2009 06:43 PM
Now this is interesting. I found this site through the JREF forum while looking for more information on that vile creature. And here I am already.

I've contacted a mod on the JREF to remove that post. It is overly emotional and doesn't really add to the conversation. I typed before I cooled off. But I am so grateful to see it mentioned here. I read her PM about 10 minutes after hearing that my buddy is still in ICU, that I wont be able to see him until Saturday and that he may not coherent then. It's difficult to express how her trite little request affected me. If anyone is interested, I can post the my response to her. it sums it up nicely.

Welcome to this forum. I'm glad I didn't offend you by posting the text of your JREFF post here. I thought it was a good example of how Anita's behavior is often at odds with her stated claims (i.e. she claims to be willing and eager to be formally tested, but does everything possible to avoid such a test).

And I was appalled. All her objections to the contrary, this is precisely the same type of insensitive behavior that make psuedo psychics so offensive. I can only guess how horrible you felt after reading her message.

I was also baffled as to why she would even want to 'scan' your friend after you had listed the medical problems he has faced and is facing. It makes no sense.

All that aside, I hope your friend's condition improves very soon, and I wish him a successful recovery.

It's a bit embarrassing to post my response to VFF. It doesn't at all show me in a favorable light. But it shows how this sick need of hers goes beyond the playground in her head.

In this case, she heard about an accident and her first thought was "How can this benefit me?" What sort of person thinks like that? Well, in my experience, woo-peddlers.

My mother was/is a woo addict. She's been taken for a lot of cash by so many of these narcissistic scammers. I've met probably 20 people with claims similar to VFF. All of them make a tidy little living off an unprovable spiritual talent. Nearly all of them display this same gross lack of empathy, attention seeking and grandiosity. They all say that they were given a gift to help people and yet none of them can set their own ego aside to avoid harming people.

Most of their stories start in childhood or college. That was when they discovered that they were a special little magical snowflake. As time went on, they say, they found that this magic was able to reach beyond this world/adjust bad energy/heal spiritual wounds/show the true inner self/reveal the past/whatever. And now, they've opened this little shop in a mini-mall to bring this gift to everyone for the low, low cost of $199.99.

VFF is one spiritual guide away from calling herself a faith healer.

Posted By bookitty on 02 Sep 2009 07:14 PM
It's a bit embarrassing to post my response to VFF. It doesn't at all show me in a favorable light. But it shows how this sick need of hers goes beyond the playground in her head.

Actually, I thought you were quite restrained, but we all understand your reaction.

Please don't be embarrassed your respose was civil and as, Desertgal said, quite restrained. This website is one place that we can truly discuss VfF and her claims and we're all glad you joined. Moderation here is by Uncle Yimmy and he lets us speak our minds so, please, enjoy the freedom here.

Hi Bookitty.
I am so glad you told it like it is - Anita needs to be told again and again until she gets it,
although I realise she may not ever get it.
Anita has already tried flogging her art on her website, has flirted with the idea of charging an audience for her performance has contacted a migraine self help group to offer her services, as well as allegedly healing the people she meets.
Narcissism seems to figure in her behaviour, and it really is a train wreck. She appears to be getting more and more desperate for attention by doing things like sending you PM's and I think she will accept any attention, even if it's negative.

Thanks. Seriously.

It's kinda funny.  Even with all the idiots who scammed my mom, I've never been tempted to crusade.  She did seek them out and some of the responsibility is on her shoulders.  But this gal VFF, she just bugs me.  More so now, of course.  Even beforehand, the combination of budding woo-artist and entitled college brat was maddening. 

Bookitty, there is no way you should feel any regret about posting what you did on the JREF Forums. It was competely appropriate. Anita Ikonen, of UNCC and Sweden (just helping the search engines), has pulled this kinda of stuff on other people as well. She talks about conducting a "public investigation" but she sends private messages to people all the time, myself included. Nobody, including you, should feel guilty about revealing unsolicited communications from Anita Ikonen, of UNCC and Sweden.

In fact, Anita Ikonen, of UNCC and Sweden, contacted a migraine sufferers Meetup group about testing her healing powers. She knew full well (she told me so) that the group specifically requested that only sufferers come to the group and that practitiioners were not welcome. She's really quite pushy in that regard. Don't forget that she repeatedly called my cell phone despite my very clear and firm instructions that she not call me (she got the number from my business website).

Posted By UncaYimmy on 02 Sep 2009 10:18 PM
Bookitty, there is no way you should feel any regret about posting what you did on the JREF Forums. It was competely appropriate. Anita Ikonen, of UNCC and Sweden (just helping the search engines), has pulled this kinda of stuff on other people as well. She talks about conducting a "public investigation" but she sends private messages to people all the time, myself included. Nobody, including you, should feel guilty about revealing unsolicited communications from Anita Ikonen, of UNCC and Sweden.

In fact, Anita Ikonen, of UNCC and Sweden, contacted a migraine sufferers Meetup group about testing her healing powers. She knew full well (she told me so) that the group specifically requested that only sufferers come to the group and that practitiioners were not welcome. She's really quite pushy in that regard. Don't forget that she repeatedly called my cell phone despite my very clear and firm instructions that she not call me (she got the number from my business website).

I can't tell you how nice it is to have a place to vent about this.  While some of my emotion comes from my concern for my buddy, there's a lot that's is just shock at the pure gall of VFF.

This news about the migraine suffers meeting is not surprising but still unbelievable.   Were I in that group, I would have allowed her to come if only to tell her to her face, in no uncertain terms, that I did not appreciate being used like that.

In a way it is good that she has found the JREF.  It gives her a place to get the attention she needs.  As long as her addiction is being fed, she won't venture out to harm other, less skeptical folk.   We can hope that some of the repeated rationality will sink in.  Perhaps when she's grown up, she'll look back and wish she had listened.  If not, at least there will be a trail of insanity.

And for the record, her reply is below. The analysis is pretty simple - "Sorry I was horrifically rude but the skeptics forced me." There is not a single apology in here that is not followed by an excuse or a blame switch.

I apologize, you are right it was insensitive of me to not read carefully and realize that he is currently recovering from the accident. I am sorry and you are right. Of course had I read more carefully I would never have suggested any of this. I just read the part where you said you have friends who have permanent implants and that is what I was asking about. My condoleances and I hope he will recover quickly.

Meanwhile, do not call me a whore. I am not doing this for attention, I am hoping to test my claim. I would not have been pretending and an experiment would have taken place. And since I do not know who the person is, someone with a permanent implant can be among other persons who do not have the implant and I would have no prior knowledge of who it is. This is not a scam, it is an investigation. I am not narcissistic just because you Forum Skeptics are fed up with my claim and investigation. And it is not a delusion. I did detect for instance that Dr. Carlson was missing a left kidney. And do not call me a whore, of any kind.

And I apologize, I was asking about your other friends who have permanent implants. Oh well. At least it let you make up some reason to yell at me.

Had I not asked to have a test involving your friends who have permanent implants you would of course have said that I am avoiding tests. Oh well, resume to being what a Skeptic is.

Sadly, that response is pretty much what I would expect. Take a look at these symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. She exhibits all these traits. You were just victim of "Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings." She's extremely manipulative. She tried to turn the tables on you instead of just taking the blame. BTW, the reason that she comes to the JREF and not the woo-woo sites is because she looks down on other woo-woos. She calls her self a special paranormal claimant - the others are different. She only wants to consort with her "equals" (in her mind).

BTW, did you go to the JREF looking for info on VisionFromFeeling, aka Anita Ikonen of UNCC and Sweden? Or did you just stumble across her threads and then catch the link over to this site?

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

I'm very familiar with NPD. So much so that I excuse obvious symptoms because I'm worried that my experience has biased me. There's a specific sick dread that creeps in when I see signs but often it's a false alarm. Especially in a forum where you are getting such a small glimpse of a person's actual personality. In this case, I should have gone with my instincts but so many college age girls display attention seeking behavior. Didn't you have that "witch" girl in your high school/college who had spells or ancient druidic wisdom for all events?

I'm newish to the JREF and still in that bouncing around trying to take it all in stage. (Monsters! Fundies! MDC!! Science!!! oooohhh shiny!) So I stumbled across diaphragm test, posted a few little things (icky!) and didn't think much of it. After that PM, I wanted to know more, your sig led me here.

And I'm still here, with my jaw hanging open reading the post claims. VFF is quite the showman. So, tell me again how the salt, water, baking soda test slipped away? That must have been so frustrating.