UncaYimmy
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desertgal
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| | 14 Aug 2009 02:39 PM |
| How about both? The two aren't mutually incompatible. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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Akhenaten
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| | 14 Aug 2009 03:55 PM |
| I had to vote "other", implying "both". I think she's trying for a scam, but she's too deluded to pull it off. | | | The moving finger writes and having writ, moves on.
Nor all thy piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line.
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it.
- from The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, who really should have read the FAQ and learned about the Edit function. | |
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McLuvin
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| | 14 Aug 2009 06:20 PM |
| I'll vote for delusion , She will , eventually be getting paid for woo is some way but i don't think this is a setup to further her woo career its just an attention seeking outlet for her... Would have voted whacked out of her gourd if it was available though  | | | |
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Audible Click
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| | 14 Aug 2009 10:17 PM |
| I voted for scam but I also think she is delusional. When all of the VfF stuff started I thought she was simply someone in the grip of her delusions but the fact that she only wants to test for her VfF "medical imaging" schtick makes me believe that she, if only subconciously, would like to use her delusions to treat certain sick people. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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Agatha
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| | 15 Aug 2009 12:42 AM |
| I am not a psychiatrist, nor do I play one on TV, but I think she has narcissistic personality disorder. So I vote for delusion. | | | Discourse ye unto the hand; for verily, the face listeneth not. | |
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blue sock monkey
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| | 15 Aug 2009 01:09 AM |
| I agree she's a delusional scam artist. But at the moment, the scamminess seems to be predominant--that cute idea of hers about charging $10 to watch her fail the kidney test smells of carnival sideshow. | | | |
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Audible Click
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| | 15 Aug 2009 01:51 AM |
| Hence why I asked her "Barnum & Bailey much? I hope you've all noticed that the "Should Skeptics Continue to Help Vision From Feeling" thread has been moved to Forum Community. And I do hope you'll take note of Tricky's odd and incorrect excuse for moving it. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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Audible Click
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| | 15 Aug 2009 01:51 AM |
| Hence why I asked her "Barnum & Bailey much? I hope you've all noticed that the "Should Skeptics Continue to Help Vision From Feeling" thread has been moved to Forum Community. And I do hope you'll take note of Tricky's odd and incorrect excuse for moving it. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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catbasket
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| | 15 Aug 2009 04:08 PM |
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Posted By Audible Click on 14 Aug 2009 05:51 PM
I hope you've all noticed that the "Should Skeptics Continue to Help Vision From Feeling" thread has been moved to Forum Community. And I do hope you'll take note of Tricky's odd and incorrect excuse for moving it.
Noticed, noted and remarked upon.
No doubt a fuller explanation of why GS&P is freely being given over to The VisionFromFeeling Show will be forthcoming following the inevitable split to Forum Management. | | | |
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Farencue
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| | 17 Aug 2009 03:19 AM |
| Hi everyone As I said over at JREF UncaYimmy, I am a fan of your site. However, sticking to my original conviction about VFF, I have just voted in your poll that VFF is conducting a scam.
The reason I believe this is because way back in February I did a bit of research on some items on VFF's website. One of the items I researched was an entry in VFF's guestbook, a Dr Leon E Curry.
Now this Dr Curry wrote a book called "The Doctor and the Psychic" about Greta Alexander, who allegedly was a "human MRI machine". Greta died about 10 years ago. Dr Curry does presentations at the Rhine Research Centre which is in Durham North Carolina (Duke University).
I also did comprehensive research about this Rhine place and it is obviously woo masquerading as science.
Interestingly, Dr Curry was planning a tour of Georgia with Sylvia Browne in 2008. I dont know if that came off or not.
What really, really annoys me is Anita has just recently suggested the Rhine Research Centre as the place to go for her study/test whatever she wants to call it, as though it is something she has just thought of, when in fact she has been aware of this Rhine place and people like Dr Curry all along. She thought she would just pop into the JREF and use the people there to try and give herself some "cred" - much like Greta Alexander had an "MD" as her "cred".
Now that Greta has died, there surely is a vacancy to be filled and perhaps Anita can fill Greta's shoes and become the next much loved "human MRI". As you may remember I also found another woo called Brent Atwater who you have since mentioned UncaYimmy.
And now, we also have the rot about Natasha Deminka. Anita obviously has targeted her niche (human MRI woo) and has simply googled others with the same claim. Perhaps Rhine Research Centre puts flyers up at Anita's university - it is very close by, which has given her some ideas about where a "star person" could fit into the scheme of all things woo.
I think that we may have got off on the wrong foot over at the JREF UncaYimmy when I mentioned that the language Anita used seemed unusual, however everyone reckoned it was because Anita is Swedish with English as a second language.
I couldnt be bothered at the time putting in the effort to defend my view over there, but I will say here that the language Anita uses shows that she becomes very childish when backed into a corner, and she always somehow manages to twist a reasonable suggestion and put the onus for answers back onto others.
She may very well be delusional/mentally ill, but she has decided that the woo market is where it is at. Whether that is purely for the money, fame and adoration or because she is deluded into thinking she has magical powers, I dont know.
I do know that to be a skilled liar you must keep track of all the lies you have told before, unfortunately with the thousands of words Anita has written she has been unable to do that - hence the Rhine Research Centre suddenly occurring to her (yeah right). Either that or she is not just a hopeless liar but a brazen bulldozer on her way to fame and fortune no matter what the people posting at JREF think of her and her "protocols".
I think the biggest mistake she has made is underestimating the patience and persistence of people such as yourself and Ashles. She may have been a spoilt little girl in childhood, used to people bending to her will.
Anyway, thats my 2 cents, good job on this website and my spelling is a bit funny because Im Australian. | | | |
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Audible Click
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| | 17 Aug 2009 04:26 AM |
| Welcome to the forum Farencue and kudos for calling Anita on her "new discovery" of the Rhine Research center. I wonder if Anita will respond to your post? | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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Ashles
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| | 17 Aug 2009 04:45 AM |
| Australia seems to lead the world in skeptics per capita and skepticism. Welcome Farencue - I respect your posts and agree with your sentiments.
There are more and more instances now of Anita's claims and stories contradicting each other. I am noticing how intently she is avoiding ever responding to any reference to her claims of being able to detect celebrities medical ailments via TV because it contradicts so much else of what she claims, and her newly discovered 'limitations'. | | | |
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Farencue
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| | 17 Aug 2009 05:18 AM |
| Thankyou Audible Click and Ashles, I have enjoyed your contributions to the "Anita files" over at the JREF very much, not only for entertainment purposes but I have also learnt a lot from you. I can almost bet with 100% certainty that Anita won't answer my post pointing out her faux pas, she only wanted to answer the one where she could demonstrate her sarcasm (I said that *I* had already mentioned the Rhine and would go find the post). I did get a kidney in a box along with her sarcasm though.
The jig is definitely up for Anita, she will hop on the first train to Wooville with a ticket hopefully paid for by the Rhine Research Centre.
It looks like UncaYimmy's website will be somewhat handy in the near future....
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desertgal
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| | 17 Aug 2009 05:28 AM |
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Posted By Farencue on 16 Aug 2009 07:19 PM
She may very well be delusional/mentally ill, but she has decided that the woo market is where it is at. Whether that is purely for the money, fame and adoration or because she is deluded into thinking she has magical powers, I dont know.
Welcome, Farencue. I think it is both, actually - the fame, adoration, and money appeal to her nacrissism, and her narcissism has led her into deluding herself that she does have magical powers. I think it is safe to say that most people like Anita have some sort of malfunction in their mental wiring. Obviously, if they were well adjusted, confident people with few self esteem issues, they wouldn't be thinking or attempting to persuade people that they have magical powers in the first place. They wouldn't need to. The one thing that stands out as opposition to a deliberate, cold blooded scam is the way she has gone about it. To me, for someone to set out with the intention of entering the woo industry and reaping the benefits, they would just do it. Very much in the way that Sylvia Browne has done it. They wouldn't bother attempting to convince the one group of people who are going to pick apart their claims with a fine toothed comb-they'd target the other end of the human spectrum: the folks who believe in woo. Anita thought she could convince the skeptics. I believe that is part of her narcissism-she believes she is smart enough and extraordinary enough to pull that off. She is incapable, I think, of seeing that one could fly the space shuttle through the holes in her claims, because she simply refuses to look. Her narcissism, her arrogance, her habit of constantly repeating the same statements, her lack of common sense/logic, her immaturity, her walls o'text (she does love to hear/see what she thinks, feels, experiences), her flirting with men, and her dislike of women all indicate some level of personality disorder (my guess is narcissistic personality disorder). But, of course, as I've said before, that doesn't mean she isn't scamming, and it would surely explain her desire for fame, wealth, and adoration. Either that, or the woman is just plain dumb, and she's going about a coldly calculated scam with less sense than a garden slug. And I know, to many, it seems like I am stuck on the personality disorder issue, and refusing to consider a coldly calculated scam. Not so. I believe it is both. I believe that because 30 years ago, before I got help, I pulled the same kind of bullshit that Anita is pulling now. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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Farencue
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| | 17 Aug 2009 06:28 AM |
| Hi there Desertgal I see a lot of food for thought in your post, thanks! After doing some reading, I think you are right about Anita being narcissistic, I thought it very odd the way she flirted with some posters and snarled at others. | | | |
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Audible Click
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| | 17 Aug 2009 08:45 AM |
| Anita does show the classic signs of narcissim, I've mentioned before that Anita is risking her future by behaving as she is now. Most employers will run background checks for any sort of scientific job she may apply for. They will be able to see what she has done. All it takes is a look at internet archive sites, so even if she takes her website down and quits posting on the JREF those things will be available for any future employer to read. We know Anita reads this site but she is so caught up in herself and her fantasies that she seems willing to risk it all. | | | It's only when you look at an ant through a magnifying glass on a sunny day that you realise how often they burst into flames.
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desertgal
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| | 17 Aug 2009 02:05 PM |
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Posted By Audible Click on 17 Aug 2009 12:45 AM
Anita does show the classic signs of narcissim, I've mentioned before that Anita is risking her future by behaving as she is now. Most employers will run background checks for any sort of scientific job she may apply for. They will be able to see what she has done. All it takes is a look at internet archive sites, so even if she takes her website down and quits posting on the JREF those things will be available for any future employer to read. We know Anita reads this site but she is so caught up in herself and her fantasies that she seems willing to risk it all.
A point reiterated by LightinDarkness: VisionFromFeeling:: "Another problem is
that they are located at Duke University and I had been considering
taking my Ph.D. in Medical Physics there, and as you all know I am
trying to maintain a clear distinction between my professional life and
this paranormal investigation. However, Duke already seems to be
tolerant of paranormal research.
Should I contact them?"
LightInDarkness: "As someone who sits on an admissions committee for a Duke
graduate program, I saw this and just had to comment. Contact Duke if
you want to ensure you get put int he auto-reject pile.
Anita, Duke - like UNC and NC State - are North Carolina's three major
research universities. They each shine in their respective areas, but
Duke is not going to let anyone in if they ever find out about your
claims (nor would UNC or NC State, for that matter). And most likely
they will, since even if graduate faculty rarely google applicants I
assure you graduate students who sit on admissions committees at Duke
do so. And both your woo sites and the sites debunking you will show up
on google.
Why is that, you might ask? I'm not in the hard sciences so I can't say
for sure, but I am comfortable in believing that the requirements make
such top graduate programs incredibly hard to get into. Programs
cherish their reputations for research. Your claims and beliefs are the
exact opposite of critical thinking and logic that such programs
encourage, and you have demonstrated with your testing "attempts" that
you don't understand simple things like statistical significance.
Something to think about if you continue down your path of woo. Even if
you had the qualifications for such a program (I doubt it, you don't
attend a well known research school and your grades are not that good
from what others have posted) you are unlikely to ever get in due to
these sorts of woo games."Of course, Anita will ignore this just as she ignores anything she doesn't say.. She mentioned earlier that she has contacted the NC Board of Massage Therapy to make sure that her method of 'curing' migraines is legal. We all can safely assume that statement was just a ruse by Anita to make it look like she is beyond reproach and straightforward in her efforts to 'cure' illness. Only problem is that she probably didn't contact anyone there, or, if she did, she misrepresented the circumstances, and, of course, the Board of Massage Therapy doesn't govern the unlawful practice of medicine. The Board of Medical Examiners does, and they are already informally aware of Miss Anita. Sad. Her entire future is going up in smoke, and, like Narcissus at the water's edge, she can't look away from herself long enough to see it. | | | "The only time you can read the future from cards is when you are holding four aces in a poker game." - Pernell Roberts | |
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Agatha
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| | 17 Aug 2009 03:29 PM |
| I fear, in her arrogance, she assumes that employers and universities only have a quick shufty on facebook rather than do proper background checks and google searches. | | | Discourse ye unto the hand; for verily, the face listeneth not. | |
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Ashles
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| | 17 Aug 2009 04:05 PM |
| One of the problems is that Anita assumes she can alter what people think about her and her stories simply by demanding their acceptance of her statements or endlessly repeating claims.
She doesn't yet understand that it is your actions that define how people view you and react to you, rather than what you simply say about yourself.
You can tell your boss you always turn up on time for work, but when he watches you walk in at 9:45 this is rather pointless.
Similarly you can claim magical powers but when you keep contradicting what those magic powers can do it fools nobody.
Anita is her own worse enemy because she craves the attention so much she can't do the one thing that would boost her credibility - stop posting and conduct a test.
It's obvious she won't take on board the suggestions from the JREF posters and it doesn't look like any protocol will ever get off the ground (and that's with her 'strongest' claim!) so it's hard to know what she is hoping to get from the JREF these days.
Maybe she doesn't either - hence moving into the world of the Rhine Institute and giving up on real scientific research, choosing instead to do 'play' research.
Maybe she can insist on bubbling coloured test tubes and that electrical sparky thing with the two rods so her future experiments look really 'sciency'. | | | |
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