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UncaYimmy posted on April 05, 2010 19:18  I have repeatedly told Anita not to contact me except through an attorney. This was after she threatened multiple times to file lawsuits and contact the police. It was also after she used this forum to threaten a staff member at her university (she said she would get this person fired). I blocked her on Facebook, blocked her on Skype, and banned her from posting here. Despite that, she continued to send me e-mails including one that said in effect, "I think I'm dying. If you don't hear from me again, it means I'm dead. Just know I LOVE YOU!" After each e-mail I replied with, "Do not contact me again except through an attorney." It didn't help. She continued with the e-mails even going so far as to tell me not to "degrade" myself by telling her not to e-mail me again. Last week she accidentally became unblocked in Skype (software glitch). Soon thereafter she started in with instant messages asking me to call her and do a video chat where I could see her "all [I] want." I blocked her again. At this point I decided to look into filing a civil no-contact order in North Carolina where she lives. I replied to one of her e-mails advising her as much and asking for her legal name and residence for the forms. I told her not to reply with anything else. She then went to my YouTube account and left a comment about how wonderful my wife and children are. Creepy. She then sent me the following 3,501 e-mail along with her contact information. I offer it to you unedited.
Mr. Carr,
I have faith in the legal system, which is designed to protect people and
to see to our legal rights and to assist everyone in protection of their
self and their home. Meanwhile, I have also faith in their competence in
distinguishing when law needs to step in and apply special resources in
ensuring the safety and in protecting the legal rights of people. And I am
sure they will see each raised concern objectively, and never biased by
the personal perspective of an individual who asks for help.
Mr. Carr, you and I began as friends. Good friends, if I recall. You were
always somebody for me to talk to, and you seemed to enjoy our
conversations and our friendship.
Yes, I am a paranormal claimant. I have an interesting experience,
probably related to synesthesia, and I know you object to this theoretical
explanation, but there is an expert in human sensory processing who agrees
with me. As you know, when I look at people, I feel something across them,
that then translates in my mind into vision. I call it vision from
feeling, and this type of cross-linking between something that is
perceived and into an experience that is artificial and of a different
nature, is quite typical of what synesthesia is all about. I also see a
color when I read a letter, or a number.
Synesthesia is by definition not a mental illness. Persons with
synesthesia are able to distinguish between what is mutual reality for all
of us, and what are their own personal sensory experiences. It is not much
different than when anybody looks at a painting and "feels" something
emotional, or perhaps the painting makes them recall a memory. One would
know that these experiences do not exist in the painting and is able to
distinguish that they are all in one's own mind.
I am trying to explain that my paranormal claim is not a mental illness.
There may be something that I see in a person, that offers a very subtle
and unthinkable clue regarding their health, and that my brain is able to
pick up on those clues and translate them into corresponding images. I
have had interesting cases of accurately describing a person's health
information, and knowing things that I should not have been able to know.
My favorite theory is that there is something I see, that my brain
registers, but that a person consciously could never notice, and that my
brain through what is synesthesia, translates these subtle clues into
pictures and images of health.
The paranormal claim I thus have, is an interesting one. I do not expect
to find some paranormal explanation behind it, but to discover perhaps
some extrasensory processing ability, or to find some other very simple
explanation. I do know however from my years of experience and of studying
my claim, that it is not as simple as any of the following: It is not
false memory, ie. I am not simply remembering it wrong, because I take
careful notes and accuracy is often confirmed by someone other than me. I
am not lying about my experiences, nor am I in any way exaggerating the
nature of my experiences with this claim.
Above all I want you to understand that my experiences of feeling and then
seeing health information, and images in my mind that depict the insides
of a person, is my experience, and I am entitled to it. It is not a mental
illness to be medicated away or taken away from me. And I resent any of
the things said or actions taken by others that are based on their
intolerance of the individuality and uniqueness of each person, when I am
told that I am not entitled to my experience and that it is something I
should not be having. Many persons with synesthesia enjoy wonderful
landscapes of visual, auditory, and other sensory experiences that,
gratefully, we are entitled to keep.
The perceptions I have are real. I truly do feel and see these things that
I have been describing. There is nothing in my experience that raises any
reason for concern. The images I have are not uncomfortable to me, or
scary. They do not blend into my sense of reality. I clearly distinguish
between what I experience through ordinary senses, and what are my
personal experiences of color and feeling that are a secondary artificial
creation in my mind. I have described these perceptions to at least three
experts in mental health and human sensory processing, and none raised any
concern.
I am trying to explain to you that I do not need to be stopped! You have a
website and personal agenda dedicated to this huge effort you are doing in
trying to stop me from trying to learn more about my experience! And I
find it both offensive and insulting of you to do so! I have always
welcomed your opinions and the balance that you add into this exploration
I am on.
There are so many examples of how someone might choose to exploit having a
paranormal claim such as this, or how one might unknowingly cause harm to
others. If I were to run up to people and tell them what I feel about
their health, that would be wrong, for every reason. The information I
give could be inaccurate, and even if it were accurate in any individual
case, it would still require conventional medical diagnosing to clear the
doubt. I do not give people medical advice or share with them what I feel
about their health or otherwise. I have only given my health perceptions
to skeptics who were participating in my study of my claim, or when it is
the case of close friends.
I do not offer psychic readings, and I do not consider myself a psychic. I
do not charge anybody any money for anything that I do or say, and instead
I have been spending already over $1,000 in investigating my experience
with skeptics. This price includes travel, test material for our IIG test,
and other expenses related to conducting a study and the test.
There are so many so-called psychics out there, with their phonelines and
in-person readings, seemingly legally charging people big money to be
given "psychic" advice on anything from lovelife troubles to health
advice, yet I am not one to do so.
There are other possible scenarios that one could imagine would be reason
for concern regarding someone who experiences synthetic sensory
information in their mind, like I do. If these images were scary to me, or
if they were overwhelming, or if I talked about them out loud, or if even
I were personally convinced that they are a depiction of reality, and many
other possible cases, but none of this is true of me. There is nothing in
how I experience my vision from feeling, that raises a reason for concern.
The experience I have, that is my claim, causes no harm or distress to
myself or to any other persons I associate with.
I am trying to explain to you, that I pose no threat to anybody and that I
do not need to be stopped. Rather, I should be encouraged to continue.
I see two main reasons for why my investigation of my claim is going to be
useful for skepticism and the field of critical thinking. For one, I am a
true claimant, but one that is offering full insight into that claim and
is going through the skeptical method to investigate that claim and to
reach a final conclusion as to how it works, or doesn't work. What is
learned from my case example, can be useful in trying to understand other
claimants or in the fight against harmful pseudoscience whether that be
based on a genuine experience such as mine, or on outright fraud and lies.
So there is a great opportunity of learning about this somewhat mysterious
and private concept of the unexplained.
Few, if any, other claimants of things similar to this, are anywhere near
as open or honest about their experience, and very few are willing to dive
into skepticism and the scientific method to provide with a true
understanding of what it is they experience. So, the second reason my
investigation is very valuable, is that it allows for the knowledge to
help us fight against harmful woo.
What I am doing, and the way in which I am doing this, must NOT be stopped.
Your fight against me is a fight against critical thinking and the need to
explore and to learn more. I think you are lacking in tolerance of people
who are not like you. You can not deny other people of opinions and
experiences simply if those differ from yours. The beauty is in engaging
in discussions and listening to one another, and knowing that truth and
what we know of reality comes from the combination and merging of
different ideas and experiences from a lot of people, and no one man can
fully describe on his own what the world is like. Truth rises up through
common sense, and the rest falls away.
I truly do have an interesting experience, and I am dying to learn more
about it, and people like you are trying to stop me! There is nothing
unethical about what I am doing.
I do not need to be stopped simply because you disagree with me.
As for contacting you... You and I used to be good friends. We used to
talk a lot, about all sorts of things. I do believe fully and
wholeheartedly, that you are trying to be a skeptic. You are trying to
contribute to my investigation, you want the answers to be clear, but what
is becoming clear is that your judgement is flawed by your personal
expectations.
Yes, I did have a past as Alenara the Breatharian, but I am now today a
science student with my future and career in pure and conventional
science. I could have made millions in Breatharianism, with my book,
lectures, and other commercial products, but I have stepped back from it
and did not earn a penny. Yes I was as a matter of fact interviewed about
Breatharianism on Rational Alchemy, but I then chose to ask for that
discussion to not be included, because I do not want to promote the idea.
Breatharianism has some truths to it, it is possible to alter the
endurance level without food and drink by thoughts and awareness, and it
does involve and produce various spiritual experiences, but I regard it a
potentially dangerous practice and one that I simply will not promote
today, even to the point of not wanting to discuss it. You may wish to
bring up my past in Breatharianism over and over again, but it should only
serve to exemplify what a responsible person I am to have realized that it
is something not to be promoted. Please realize, and think about it, I
could have made millions, yet I stepped away, and I am not even tempted.
Yes, I see and hear and talk to ghosts, but you know that it is an
experience none more dramatic or concerning than when any of us are
watching television.
I did call you on the phone repeatedly one day to try to get a hold of
you. But I was not calling some random person trying to invade in their
home. I had been reading about how you, and others on your site, had
twisted something harmless that I had said, into the most horrific of
things, and it was hurting me. I had said once that my perception of the
tissues of black people are slightly different and more beautiful than
what I perceive of white people. This, you and others, twisted into making
me sound like some absolute Nazi who is racially intolerant of blacks, and
what little I know of black history and any of the evil of racial
discrimination, it was killing me to be portrayed by you as someone who
would have any part in it. When all I said, was that in the synesthetic
experience I have of human bodies, black people come across as more
beautiful. I was crying and sobbing when I tried to explain on your
voicemail how hurt I was. But you omit this information surrounding the
details of this, and you show utterly no consideration to what I was going
through.
I was being portrayed by you, on the internet, as some racist, and all the
evils of racism was being attached to my person and by you, and all I was
asking was for you to stop. And you have the nerve to keep stating time
and time again that I was harassing you over the phone. These were the
ONLY times I have ever called. What you did to me and put me through by
painting me as some sort of racist was hurtful to me beyond any sense of
the word of harassment that you think took place when I spoke on your
answering machine trying to make words in spite of all the sobbing and
crying that I could not hold back. And your slander against me remains on
your website, and even to this day people are reading it. And those
voicemails were only once, and they are gone. And you dare to say I harass
you.
The messages I leave you on the internet are always nice. Always friendly,
and often playful. I still think of you the way I did when I first got to
know you. When you were still a good person to me, and before you started
doing everything you could creatively think of to try to hurt me. I say
things like, goodnight and happy new year. And you have every means to
block me from sending you e-mails.
You were obviously confused about the two recordings I appeared in around
the same time, one informal conversation on my website, and the other the
radio interview with Rational Alchemy, and all I did was to send you a
friendly e-mail explaining to you what the difference was. Had I posted
the content of that e-mail on my website, I am sure you would have read
it. You always are the first to detect even the slightest updates on even
the most remote pages on my website, so I am sure you would have read it.
So it is not that the content of my e-mail was disturbing to you, or that
you were exposed to information that you did not want to have to read. You
would have read it anyway.
... When I had my IIG test, having the paranormal test, I had gone farther
ahead than almost any paranormal claimant. It is what we Skeptics would
encourage claimants to do. And you had worked hard to help me get as far
as having the test, because it was burdened on me to come up with a
testing protocol and I was asking for help from you Skeptics. ... But all
you could do, during the entire time that I was in Hollywood taking my
test, was to insult my personal appearance, to insult the clothes that I
was wearing, my hair, and to make very obscene and uncalled for comments
about my body.
I try to listen to you, and I do read when you post your comments and
thoughts about my claim and test. But remembering several instances, such
as the one where during the test itself, you had little interest in the
test and in the skepticism involved, and paid more attention to calling me
obese. It is things like that, and many more, that make you come across as
not quite a real Skeptic, and not much of a man.
I am engaging Skeptics in the investigation of my claim. I am fully open
and ready to falsify my claim, ie. to find out that there is no extent of
interesting accuracy ie. nothing to study here at all, or that there is
accuracy beyond what is acchievable from the odds of guessing or using
known normal sensory intake. Either case, I am willing to embrace either
one, and excited to find out. And by being open enough to make this
investigation a documentary, I was hoping that others could, through this
example, also learn more about the concept of paranormal claims, and the
process of having them tested and put through skepticism.
It is being explained to me, that my test results were beyond chance. And
I do not want to hear about how "one person guessed as well as I did",
because that is the case of one person in a large group of more than 50
people guessing together, so if odds were to say that 1 in 50 could guess
as well as I did, well do remember that I was only one person. And all I
am asking is to have another test. That is all I ask.
I do not ask to open shop and begin offering psychic readings. I do not
ask that anyone believe I have supernatural powers. I do not ask that
anybody think I am special or important in this. ... All I am asking is
for tolerance to let me continue to investigate this, so that I can learn
more, and to have another test. I am even hoping that another test will
produce results that make falsification very clear, so that I can finally
end this and you can leave me alone, Jim Carr.
I am concerned, since I feel that your attempts at obtaining a legal
no-contact order is NOTHING but your desire to make this a one-sided
debate. You will slander and misinterpret everything I am. And you will
not let me offer my perspective, or to defend myself. You can not carry on
with your personal campaign in which you spread slander and lies about me
that are obviously intended as harmful, and to expect law to grant you the
right to quiet me. You can not do so. YOU are the one harassing me, Jim
Carr.
Fortunately, laws are in place to protect me against someone like you.
I will provide you with my name, legal residence and phone number, but
only because these are already available to anyone on the internet. I ask
that you forward to me the contact information of anyone you contact about
me, so that I have a fair chance of representing my version of this drama
that you create around my humble investigation of the paranormal. I also
invite you to call me, and to talk this through with me. I do wish you
were one of those persons who in a personal conflict with another person
would act in kindness and we could talk this through. I am not worried of
any consequences from your actions against me. I have already suffered
great hurt because of you, and the heart pain I wrote to you about
earlier, was caused by another, different issue, but aggravated and
brought on by you. The pain was real, but you use this, along with
anything at all about me, in an attack against me.
I do wish you would see that you are going about your attempts at
skepticism the wrong way. That you are deliberately trying to hurt
someone. All I did was step up and allow skepticism to process my strange
experience that is my paranormal claim. I have conducted my investigation
effectively, kindly and respectfully. I asked to engage Skeptics to help
me design tests and evaluate the process, instead I ended up with one big
bully who has gotten carried away. You are taking what is a harmless
little experience of something that a science student is curious about
investigating as a Skeptic and together with Skeptics, and you have turned
that into your personal agenda to do anything in your creative power to
hurt me on a personal level.
Jim Carr, you are not a Skeptic. You are an opinionated person who likes
to disagree with other people, who has a hard time considering the
opinions of others, who is totally lacking in the human emotions of
empathy and kindness to others. Luckily, I have the amount of
self-restraint and sense of distance to my skeptical project, to not take
you too personally and that guards me from some of the harm you are
deliberately trying to cause. Sadly, you lack this very self-restraint and
sense of distance to realize that what we are dealing with here is "just"
a paranormal claim presented to a study, and that it is nothing worthy of
the aggressive, inconsiderate and deliberately hurtful campaign you engage
in, to cause harm to someone who is not just a paranormal claimant, but a
real person too.
Monday, April 05, 2010 7:55 PM
Wow Anita, just wow. "I have already suffered great hurt because of you, and the heart pain I wrote to you about earlier, was caused by another, different issue, but aggravated and brought on by you."
Monday, April 05, 2010 8:35 PM
Unfortunately for Anita, she has proven herself, without a doubt, to be a liar. She has shown that she will, without conscience, treat people like shit to further her own purpose. Unfortunately for her, all of this works against her when the court order is issued. Fortunately lawyers and judges aren't typical patsies easily suckered like Nigel Aves, Jeff Wagg, and some of the JREF brown nosers. When her mental illness gears up and she violates the court order, they'll handcuff her and take her to jail. She may think things are going badly for her now, but for a scam artist in the US on a visa, getting arrested for violating a court order and stalking is bad news. Things will get a lot worse, a whole lot worse. Monday, April 05, 2010 9:15 PM
The condensed version: "I, I, I, I, me, I, I, I, I, me, my, I, I, I, I, I, me."
Monday, April 05, 2010 11:48 PM
I'm convinced that Anita's "pain" was the result of panic attacks. The description fit perfectly including the hospital checking for heart issues and finding none. That she would suffer panic attacks after failing the IIG test and being exposed as Alenara is not surprising. I guess that's why she blames it on me.
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:33 AM
This is my favorite part: "I do wish you would see that you are going about your attempts at skepticism the wrong way." Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:01 AM
I would very much like the opportunity to discuss the issue with this "expert in human sensory processing". I am assuming they A) Don't exist B) Made an innocuous comment taken entirely out of context by Anita C) Are replying to a completely incorrect descritption fro Anita D) Are about as much an "expert" in sensory processing as Anita is in Physics, or Chemistry, or any science whatsoever. Because what Anita descibes Is. Not. Synesthesia. It is her own imagination and desire for attention.
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:53 AM
I would say the same about any mental health professional Anita may have contacted. One can be certain that they: a) Don't exist b) Made an innocuous statement taken entirely out of context by Anita c) Are replying to a completely incorrect description by Anita d) Are as much an "expert" in mental health analysis as Anita is in Physics, or Chemistry, or any science whatsoever. Because how Anita behave is definitely related to a personality disorder of some definition, most likely Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And, for the record, Anita, no one called you racially intolerant. You made racist statements that were far more detailed than "black people are beautiful inside". You define people by their race. You've done it more than once. It doesn't mean that you are racially intolerant, but it does mean that you are racist.
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:32 PM
What is there to say? The lady's a loon. Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:49 PM
It is amusing to see how Anita's contact with the "important" skeptics like the IIG, Jeff Wagg et al has given her a new lease of life. She obviously feels bolstered in having their support, after all they think she should be retested. This gives her the confidence to write the garbage she has above. Her next big claim to fame will be association with the JREF wanting to test her (yes Jeff we know that is not entirely correct but try telling Anita). I would bet that this is what she has wanted all along. Recognition from the "authorities" that she is indeed special. I hope that Jeff, Bookitty, Nigel, Brian and all the important skeptics achieve their goal of educating Anita. But they won't. As for the rest of us we are now simply "internet skeptics". I hope you do get that restraining order UY, I reckon you will need it.
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:43 PM
I hope Jeff has his lawyer on speed dial because he'll need it when she starts harassing him unless he joins her cult. I think she'll go for the MDC since she's had official JREF recognition.
Thursday, April 08, 2010 3:32 AM
That's right tsig, Jeff wanted her to have another test. Or at least that is how Anita would see it.
Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:49 PM
I don't see how JREF could refuse her a test since Jeff has said that her results were impressive and better tan chance and that she needs more testing. Given such remarks if she was refused a test then I think a lawyer would enjoy the case. Seems to me that Jeff has placed the JREF in legal jeopardy.
 Friday, April 09, 2010 5:51 AM
Hi JREF'ers! I'm not able to post a comment anywhere but here (that I can find), and forgive my ultra-long post as well. But I'm totally fresh to the VFF thing, and only know about her based off what I've read here and there. So admittedly I have zero experience with her personally. That having been said, however, imo she's obvious in her game and what she is looking for. For whoever is interested --- The VFF Riddle: (taken directly from her website) A couple goes on vacation to a fishing resort in northern Minnesota. The husband likes to fish at the crack of dawn. The wife likes to read. One morning the husband returns after several hours of fishing and decides to take a short nap. Although she isn't familiar with the lake, the wife decides to take the boat. She motors out a short distance, anchors, and continues to read her book. Along comes the game warden in his boat. He pulls up alongside her and says,"Good morning, Ma'am, what are you doing?" "Reading my book," she replies, thinking isn't that obvious? "You're in a restricted fishing area," he informs her. "But officer, I'm not fishing. Can't you see that?" "Yes, but you have all the equipment. I'll have to take you in and write you up." "If you do that, I'll have to charge you with rape," says the woman. "But I haven't even touched you," says the game warden. "That's true, but you do have all the equipment." This is essentially summing up who I think this woman is. She's a woman in a predicament … and it's a riddle to her. It's a riddle she wants someone to answer, more or less at all costs. She's sitting there in a restricted area, surrounded by all manner of things she knows she shouldn't have in that area … yet she hasn't "technically" done anything with it yet to violate the restrictive rules. She knows how it looks, yet she does it anyway. And anyone explaining the rules to her … she has the perfect comeback. She hasn't broken any rules yet, technically. This is, essentially, her stance towards the skeptics. She knows full well that she is in a "restricted area" and has been from moment one. After failed tests, and failed attempts, she keeps pulling more and more equipment out of her boat while more and more wardens tell her what she is doing is potentially going to violate a law. Yet she still just works right within the law … staying in that area … frustrating the warden and everyone else. Thus, this is part of the riddle. She will be careful not to "break a law" while she is in that area. And so through cleverness, she will evade capture and being taken in by the warden. It will always appear as though she's preparing to break a law … but she won't. And the warden will not back down and she won't leave the area. She's reading her book. The obvious response should be for the warden to back off and leave her alone. Yet he can't. That's not his job. His job is to enforce the law … and clearly here is someone tempting to break it without actually breaking it. The moment he leaves, he knows she's going to break the law. Well … he doesn't KNOW it. But based off her attitude and cleverness, he suspects it. And he has good reason. But to see the other half of the riddle, the warden needs to leave. Because when the warden leaves …. and no one is around to watch …. she will just sit in the boat and stop playing with all the junk in it. When she is all alone, she just sits and reads. And here is the other half of the riddle. Along comes some fisherman who want to share some of her equipment and fish with her. She leaves the no fishing zone, and starts to fish with them outside of the zone. But this doesn't do much for her for very long. The fisherman don't catch much fish. And neither does she. Because the truth is she's not a very good fisherman at all. And she has yet to meet any fisherman who will teach her how to fish well … and she also loses interest rather quickly. And so she ends up going back to the no fishing zone … and she sits there to wait … and wait … until a warden comes back by. If one doesn't come soon, she starts screaming and yelling to get attention. And so now we have the full riddle … the one VFF herself wants answered. WTF is she doing on the lake in the first place? And why does she keep going back to the restricted area when she knows she can't fish there? That's the riddle she wants answered, which neither the wardens or the fisherman have been able to answer yet. It's why there is still a shred of hope for this girl. Because she is still posting the riddle. She has given up on finding an answer. Now … I'll share some of what I think the answer is: She essentially wants to be "special" and have this confirmed by others whom she trusts. In other words, she wants to matter but she wants to matter beyond being just an "excellent human" or something. She wants to be a mythical creature type of person …. someone who is fantastical. Without that mythical nature and fantastical element … she is not something that is acceptable in her own eyes. But why? So she goes headfirst into woo. It's her way to create the mythical personality. But she knows the woo is based on b*******. At times, she thinks there might actually be a small chance there is something to it. But deep down, she knows it's baloney. But without it … she isn't special. And she needs to know she has value. So she needs to stand out. But other woo people come along and support her on occasion …. but it's a fleeting thing with her. She appreciates them and feels for them, but since she knows that ultimately her woo is based on b.s. and an extreme psychological and emotional need …. she doesn't trust the woo factor all by itself. She needs something more concrete. So she reaches out to the critical thinkers and the skeptics. But they are unable to answer her riddle as well. Sure …. they can tell her she doesn't need the woo and all of that. They can point out truth from lies, and explain evidence based conclusions, etc and so forth. They can try to explain the impact she could have by taking responsibility for the types of claims shes' making in regards to others. But that doesn't satisfy her. That in and of itself doesn't "do it" for her. She still has that need to feel special … mythical. And the truth isn't enough. And when the skeptics see this reaction in her … they start to realize she isn't as interested in truth as she makes herself out to be. To them it's obvious … she's either deluded or a con man … either way, she should be stopped because she is going to harm someone with her "medical gifts". But she doesn't stop. She continues. She stays in the "no fishing zone" hoping someone will come along and present her with that "ultimate truth" … the answer to her riddle. Why does she have this need to feel mythical and at the same time the truth isn't good enough for her? Why is her reality not good enough … but neither is her fantasy? What is the point to VFF? The question the riddle is trying to answer. And as long as she is interested in knowing the answer, she'll be rubbing her woo in the face of the skeptics … the people who are supposed to "know the truth" and be able to help her, but instead are no better than the woo believers in her eyes. They are just as easily conned like rubes as the woos are by their own b.s. And so if no one is going to be able to save her from her situation … explaining her life to her and why she's doing what she's doing …. she will not only be a martyr for her own cause (the self humiliation of public failures and all the podcast interviews and the continued attempts to destroy her own credibility while overcompensating in an extreme way with flagrant narcissism and a lack of moral concern for others) … but she will also rub her own "failed life" in the face of those trying to now bring her down. She will now, internally, accuse them of rape like the woman in the boat. Because she knows, internally, that those who are hoping for her destroyed career are missing the ultimate point of her con game in the first place … and that was that she was hoping someone would trade out her fantastical woo and give her something real and concrete she could cling to in life. A purpose and an identity. One that wasn't from Arcturus or starved themselves on air. One that didn't continually toss themselves under a bus in order to get attention. But she hasn't met anyone or any group that both fulfills her need (which causes her shame) to feel unique and special, and yet is trustworthy in knowing reality at the same time. And that's her riddle. It's a game she plays and makes public out of a desperate plea. Those who fail to answer get conned and get to be a rube to her. Nothing more nothing less. She gave them an opportunity to "Debunk her" and they failed. Those who offer support get to join her narcism club … because those who offer support believe in the woo she doesn't even hardly believe in. And so the key to answering her riddle involves knowing how to catch a mythical creature and bring them down to earth. To do that … you've got to believe in mythical creatures and understand how to catch one. Telling them they don't exist and explaining the rules won't do anything. Destroying their environment and habitat won't destroy them either. It will only make their lives more difficult, but it won't change what they are. Certain mythical creatures can only be caught with bait … and even then, it's up to them to take the bait. :) Now am I saying she's dangerous to the public if she starts diagnosing medical issues under people's trust? Am I saying she needs to be let free to do whatever she pleases? Am I saying she doesn't deserve public criticism or that no one has the right to ***** about her? Nope. I'm not saying any of the above. It's all mostly irrelevant to even discuss because she's going to do what she wants to anyway regardless of the input from the woo/skeptic world. She'll find a way to get that attention and hold onto that idea that maybe she can be normal in a normal world and still feel "special". When she gives up on the riddle will be when she turns completely cold and cynical to the idea she might harm the rubes …. OR …. she will do something irresponsible and go off and join the army or something in an attempt to make her life count and seal her martyrdom in her own eyes. To some this might be the best move she could make … but to her it would be the death of a mythical creature. So what I'm saying is I still believe I see a ray of hope for this person. Everything else is probably misdirection from her game and riddle. And this is my 2 cent armchair psych evaluation of VFF.
Friday, April 09, 2010 12:53 PM
Hmm... A child will eventually see that the tooth fairy and Santa are good old Mom and Dad, even when Mom and Dad keep up the pretense that the tooth fairy and Santa are real. Seems to me VfF may be lacking some essential gray matter that the child seems to have in abundance, plus she lacks the self-awareness that she is indeed lacking in that way. Of course, there are some kids who keep invisible friends for life, who suffer no ill-effects for doing so. We generally call them "religious." M.  Friday, April 09, 2010 8:47 PM
lol Moochie!! Trentway, I had a reply all typed out to your post on the JREF then lost it and couldn't be arsed to do it again. This one isn't it but anyway.... Is the grey area Anita's loved ones, including her family? Wouldn't anyone who cares about her be taking action to prevent her from self harming? By self harming i don't mean cutting herself but what she is doing to her future career and her reputation and credibility. If she was MY child I would be doing everything possible to prevent her from doing what she is doing to herself. My grandmother has schizophrenia. She suffers from delusions as well, but they are delusions of persecution, not delusions of fame and glory. She doesn't get on the internet seeking attention from strangers. She will try and seek attention from shopkeepers etc, to get them to listen to her latest persecution by the neighbours theory, but that's where her family comes in to protect her from possibly harming others with her delusions and to stop her from mentally harming herself by getting herself further entrenched in her delusions. It is a lot of hard work and is only done because she is loved. Where is the love in VFF's life? Back to Moochie's comment about Santa, when my son was 10 years old, he asked the question, "Mum is Santa real?" Bluntly, I told him "No, he isn't but you suspected that didn't you?" My son was upset (maybe because he would have to wait another 12 months to see if he still got presents) and I will never forget the look of shock on his face. I thought I had scarred him for life. I questioned whether I did the right thing, maybe I should have indulged him longer in the fantasy of Santa. The reason I didn't indulge him was because I knew that he knew deep down Santa wasn't real, to lie to him would have caused him more harm than the truth. It would have confused him and perhaps made him lose trust in those who are supposed to care for him and guide him. Maybe it would have taught him that it is ok to deliberately lie and perpetuate fantasy instead of truth. Where have Anita's fantasies come from? Perhaps we will never know, but I don't plan on indulging her fantasies at all. Not the ones that have the potential to cause harm to others, such as the fantasy that she is a healer. it is time Anita was told that "Santa" is not real. If she deliberately refuses to listen or skeptically consider the concept of Santa, there is a definite problem
 Friday, April 09, 2010 10:54 PM
EXACTLY. Where is the love in VFF's life? You see, the "outside world" views Anita's story as one full of woo, lead by delusions, etc. She is dangerous to others whom she claims medical abilities with, or deceives with delusions. She is possibly dangerous to herself as a result of delusional thinking. She's a narcissist and possibly only playing a con game with no thought or care for the ethical implications of her game. This is one way to view her, and it's also a partially correct way to view her imo. She is playing a game. If the results turn out the way she hopes they will, in the end she will be innocent and merely a deluded person whose magical thinking was corrected and she "did no harm" because she will essentially be like a child who chased butterflies and fell down a well on accident. If things don't go the way she is hoping, then she will have pulled one over on all the morons who fell for her crap, sucked them dry for all the emotional and mental trust they were worth, and turned into a glory hound vampire that gave people "what they deserved". Hence, she would turn out to be a dangerous con artist. But to Anita ... none of the above is true. She believes in her game not as a decision as to whether or not she is guilty of anything, or conning anything. She does not knowingly play this game in order to take out vengeance on those who try to help her but fail (skeptic and woo alike). This is a fantasy story where she is innocent. She cannot face the reality of the situation because it's too difficult. It's almost impossible for her to. In her mind, she lives in a drama where she thinks she understands the implications of her behavior. The only thing she might be partially aware of concerning the root core of her behavior, is the boat analogy. She wants to be told whether she's crazy or not, because she understands she is in that boat where she isn't supposed to be. But no one rescues her properly BECAUSE they don't know the answer to her riddle. And this is where the loved one part comes in. A loved one will llve the person, generally no matter what they do. If your child is guilty of crimes, you will still probably love them and support them while the victims hate them, etc. So someone should be doing those things for Anita. But they aren't. And even if there is a support group there, they are not satisfactory for her. Thus, there is something Anita isn't sharing (or something I haven't come across yet). If she knew what it was that underlined her either lack of loving support in her life or her lack of ability to accept it and ground her to reality ... then she wouldn't have this life of hers she does. In fact, I would imagine whatever her reasons are, they are probably quite traumatic and/or horrific at least in her own eyes. There is a specific type of delusion I'm thinking she is dealing with, but without knowing more about her actual past history I don't want to spout it out. But part of the answer to her life's problems is that she needs someone to love her appropriately. And that is part of the answer to her riddle. Part of that answer is there is no answer you can tell her :) It's an answer she has to be SHOWN. And showing her will take time. If it was a simple as giving her information, it would have worked already. But it isn't that simple and it hasn't worked. Is it her fault for making it this complex? Does she suffer an irreversible mental disorder? Is she innocent or guilty? These are all parts of her riddle. But she has to have someone hold her by the hand and show her, step by step, what reality is and how to live it .... and whether or not she is truly mythical or not. All of her questions and "explorations" can be answered over time with a specific type of person. It wasn't UY, although she apparently wanted it to be (I'm assuming). It isn't the woo clan. It obviously isn't her parents or family, etc. I actually believe it's irrelevant whether people support her fantasies about Santa Claus or try to denounce them as Reality Heresy and seek to burn her on a stake. I think those choices people make towards her are irrelevant because they don't impact her choices all that much. She is still confused, she is still seeking, she is still going to use people and others to cry out to or victimize, etc and so forth. It's complicated .... but I think overall it's rather simple. It's not an overnight fix, or one that will involve only woo or only sketpical teachings. The gray area is someone who can think critcally about reality, but also understand that she is special and "mythical" .... just not in the ways she is hoping to attract attention by. :) That is a specific, and special kind of love. It will take a specific individual or group of individuals that are willing to essentially hold her hand and not let go until everything is better and the storm of her dramatic life is calmed. Most of us only have a few of those people in our lives our entire life. It's just her drama in trying to locate what she needs and how to get it is much more flamboyant than the average person :) And that, to me, is the dead giveaway about the reasons why she chooses this method that she does. And yes, of course, I could be totally wrong and washed up :)
Friday, October 15, 2010 2:16 PM
To GEEMACK, HOW did Anita treat people like shit, please illustrate? What is Anita's purpose, did she borrow any money from you or ask you for a job, more concret support in making this claim please, and direct experience is crucial, meaning she did something to you
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