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Late Breaking News: I was suspended for something else entirely than what I originally thought (original entry is below these next few paragraphs). That just goes to show you how utterly surprised I am by the suspension. I have yet to receive a notice of my suspension. I only found out when I tried to make a post, and it was rejected. Apparently they think I ignored a mod box telling me not to start threads to discuss closed topics. I didn't. I protested the the closing of a thread, but I did not discuss the topic at all. Tricky, a moderator, closed that thread. Apparently we're not allowed to protest mod actions in the forum dedicated to discussing Forum Management. This is absurd.

I cannot even find my protest thread. It's not in FM and it's not in Abandon All Hope. Addendum: Found it. I didn't get a move notification.

I protest the closing of "Infracted for saying something even potentially negative about the JREF? " The questions asked in the OP were:
Quote: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=171751 Anyone else have an explanation for this? Rule 0, apparently (it's uneditted). Anyone seriously see a reason they did this?
Locknar claims the questions have been answered, but no questions were asked of the moderators. The OP specifically addressed "anyone else." On whose behalf is Locknar speaking? Unless Locknar is being a pedant arguing that the first "yes" answer completed the thread, the reason stated is invalid. Considering it was a holiday weekend, I don't think the membership was given ample time to comment in the thread.

Did I discuss the topic of GreyICE's post? No, I did not. I protested the premature closing of the thread. Did I start a second protest thread? No. Did I PM a mod or admin about it? No.

Addendum: My original appeal appears below. Before I had a chance to correct it (I still haven't received a suspension notice), Lisa Simpson read my appeal and wrote, "You assumed wrong. You were suspended for trying to get around a thread closure. Appeal denied, thread closed." I was not given a chance to present any evidence in my favor. Sigh.

Addendum #2: Finally I somebody pointed to the mod box I allegedly ignored. Here's the deal. Apparently Darat, in his infinite insecurity and overwhelming desire to swing his club, took exception to me making a legitimate suggestion because I inserted the word "<cough>" when explaining my simple suggestion that moderators use blue mod boxes to indicate they have modified a post when it isn't otherwise apparent. He called this sophistry and warned me that if I "repeatedly" use sophistry to get around thread closures I will be suspended.

Well, my latest thread was very clearly a protest thread. I didn't comment or even cough about anything in the thread I was protesting being closed. Where's the sophistry? Furthermore, where's the repeated sophistry? I received no other warnings about sophistry, so obviously I haven't repeatedly done it. And unless the mods think I orchestrated an elaborate ruse to fake being surprised about the suspension, it's obvious I had no clue whatsoever I was doing anything wrong.  

So, Darat, explain to me how I could possibly have phrased my protest without being accused of sophistry? How would you distinguish a legitimate protest from a fake one where I'm trying to discuss a closed topic? How, exactly, did you determine it to be sophistry?

I will leave my original blog entry for context. I apologize for not understanding my suspension.

Wow. I've been suspended again by the JREF, this time for ignoring a mod box warning. In the recent thread about the Rational Alchemy interview, Locknar issued a general mod box warning that read:

This thread has drifted well of course with respect to Rules 0, 11, 12. I've set to Moderated Status for now pending review...posts my be split into new threads, or to AAH.

For those who don't know, moderated threads require that posts be approved before making it into the thread. I submitted the following post. This was the first and only warning in the thread. I have no idea whose post is or is not considered against the rules or worthy of being moved to a new thread. Nowhere does the warning say that members cannot post. In the past the mods have closed threads pending review when they don't want anyone to post. With that in mind, you tell me if the following post ignored the mod box and was worthy of a suspension.

[QUOTE=remirol;5791871]UY needs VFF just as much as she needs him.  Without her, he has no paper tiger to slay; without him, she has no tireless promoter.  Note how he keeps us up-to-date about her private emails, even though it would be trivial to add a client-side filter and block them completely.[/QUOTE]

That this thread has seemingly become about me rather than the RA interview and its repercussions is disappointing, but considering the context, your comment does deserve a response. If the mods feel it is more appropriate in the General moderated thread, I hope they will move it there. I reply here only for context.

First, I have not shared all of the e-mails, PMs, Skype chats, Facebook messages, and other contacts I have received and still do not. By that I mean not only have I not shared the content, but I haven't shared their existence. I have stated this repeatedly. If you are unwilling to do the basic research, the skeptical thing, at least in my brand of skepticism, is to ask rather than make unfounded assertions.

Second, I have not blocked her e-mails for several good reasons. Being an IT professional yourself, you should be fully aware that it's simply not possible. While I can block her e-mail address or any e-mail coming from her domain, the prevalence of free e-mail accounts makes bypassing filters a trivial matter. And just like spammers, she can use fake e-mail addresses.

Truth of the matter is I think it's important for my own safety, both personal and legal, to be aware of every e-mail she sends to me. She has threatened me with lawsuits and police action, which in large part prompted my formal repeated requests that she cease and desist contacting me. She also offered to have a layover in Phoenix while traveling to Los Angeles so she could come visit me. I don't want unread e-mails in the trash bin that read, "Since you're ignoring me, I am going to stop by your house so we can talk this out. We used to be good friends, and I mean you no harm. Unless I hear otherwise, I will see you next Saturday." While she has not sent such an e-mail, I cannot say with any degree of certainty that she wouldn't.

It's only prudent for anyone who tells someone not to contact them except through an attorney to be aware of any and all attempts otherwise, especially when that person sends e-mails that read in effect, "I think I'm dying. If I suddenly stop posting, it's because I'm dead. I just wanted you to know that I LOVE YOU!"

Thank you for your time. It is appreciated.

In my appeal I asserted the following:

What "warning" did I ignore?

  • The mod box does not contain any specific instructions to anyone or everyone.
  • It contains a statement that some posts may be violations of the MA, but nothing was directed at me personally.
  • The thread was not closed, which has been done in the past. Therefore, there is no reason to believe that posts to the thread were not allowed.
  • The mod box explicitly states that some posts may be split to new threads, and I requested in my post that if the post belongs somewhere else that the mods move it. I only posted where I did to maintain context.
  • Since the thread was moderated, I left it up to the mods to approve it or not, so I didn't actually post anything in the thread in question.
  • How can I possibly know that my post is off-topic if the moderators haven't actually ruled on any of the posts in the thread?

Good moderation should not result in members being suspended totally by surprise. I'm sure that being critical of Jeff Wagg had no influence whatsoever. It seems like the JREF's interest in coddling Anita is getting out of hand if they look to suspend me for posts like that rather than simply doing some rudimentary housekeeping they were already in the progress of doing.

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Comments

GreyICE
# GreyICE
Monday, April 05, 2010 3:20 PM
Prof Yaffle Chimes in:
UncaYimmy is mistaken about the reason for his suspension. It was indeed related to starting a new thread about an issue in a thread that had been closed. he had previously been warned about doing this via a mod-box - hence the reason for his suspension.

Hawk on
# Hawk on
Monday, April 05, 2010 3:25 PM
Suspended totally by surprise?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

It's not like you haven't been suspended before, and haven't been warned in the interrim. But you're just too fucking stupid or stubborn to understand this, and therefore you just have to lie. Again. Fucking liar you are.

Just stop whatever you're doing. You're not doing any good for skepticism, and you're just generally a lying whiner. Go away.
VisionFromFeeling
Monday, April 05, 2010 3:27 PM
What can I say? I mean, there is no rule against STUPIDITY. They could write a rule "if you are freaking stupid, dont post".

Honestly, what have you done that is REALLY useful as a skeptic? What do you do besides post on forums full of skeptics? If being banned from a skeptic forum is your BIGGEST MOMENT as a skeptic, then one can only tell Paul Revere to just let you sleep in when the call goes out for SKEPTICS to fight the REAL battles out there.

Go to sleep, really, it's ok. We dont need you
GeeMack
# GeeMack
Monday, April 05, 2010 3:28 PM
Oddly enough I almost recall reading that post before the lockdown on the thread.

Two things are obvious. One, remirol is a bootlicking lackey who, for some reason, is apparently immune to being reported for trolling, off topic, personal attacks. I have, and I know others have reported several of his personal attacks, and he has yet to receive so much as a yellow card for any posts I've reported. Might have to do with how thoroughly one kisses which moderator's ass. Remirol certainly does enough of it.

And the other obvious thing is, the moderators have it in for anyone, particularly UncaYimmy, who they perceive to be picking on Anita. And there's another mystery as to why, although I suspect she's screwing Locknar or Jeff Wagg or some other moderator.

I made a post to that thread within moments of it showing as Moderated on the listing page. I said...

"BTW, excellent idea to moderate this thread.

Will we hear Jeff or Nigel actually admit that they were wrong about their understanding of the IIG protocol, test, results, and their incorrect interpretation?"

Somehow I imagine that absolutely on-topic post will never see the light of day. Those moderators, admins, and staff people have demonstrated time and again that they simply don't have the balls or the honesty to acknowledge a mistake.
VisionFromFeeling
Monday, April 05, 2010 3:28 PM
ok betting is going on the JREF forum that you are too chicken to post that comment.

BAWK BAWK BAWK
VisionFromFeeling
Monday, April 05, 2010 3:37 PM
oh gosh well James Randi has nothing better to do than deal with YOUR problems. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Hawk one
# Hawk one
Monday, April 05, 2010 3:38 PM
By the way, why are you scared of allowing replies on your lies without approval first? That's just the lowest kind of internet cowardice.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Monday, April 05, 2010 3:48 PM
FYI, Hawk One, the reason I moderate the comments on my blog is to counter spammers. I don't moderate for content as you can plainly see.
rjh01
# rjh01
Monday, April 05, 2010 4:47 PM
There is a protest thread here http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=172174

You can take a look at it in three days time.

Also check your e-mail address as stored on the forum. You should have two e-mails. One for the thread move and the other for the suspension. Unless of course my understanding is incorrect which is possible.
GeeMack
# GeeMack
Monday, April 05, 2010 4:54 PM
The protest thread is just someone doing some off topic trolling. And even though there has been a mod warning about that, do you suppose there will be a suspension delivered to the OP?
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Monday, April 05, 2010 4:55 PM
Thanks, rjh01. I can see the protest thread, but I cannot post. I can read my PMs. I have not received a PM for the post being moved or for the suspension. I received the PM when Tricky closed thread, when my appeal post was approved, and when Lisa closed my appeal. I am not set to receive e-mails for my PMs.
VisionFromFeeling
Monday, April 05, 2010 9:46 PM
yep people are protesting your not being banned.

how about the JREF is actually applying the rules, woo or non woo.

No favorites. VFF isnt "one of us", but like that asshat Baptist church that protests at funerals...you can't be treated differently just because you are not a skeptic.

also, skeptic education should be about EDUCATION, and if you want to be HEARD, you first have to LISTEN.

We arent some fundie group that is going to not allow people with a differing viewpoint not to be with us. If, as I believe, we have truth on our side (and science is as close to truth as we have) then we have no reason to fear being civil and tolerant of those that venture into our midst.

skepticism isnt about making yourself feel smart. its about making others smart. It's not about "winning", you dont "win" the skeptic war in internet forums. or in one thread. or by posting the LAST.

So, smart guy (and you are pretty smart and have some great arguements) whatcha going to do during this time off to redirect to some real skeptic work. Winning the forum war, is death to your intelligence and the sense of purpose you will get doing something real.
rjh01
# rjh01
Monday, April 05, 2010 10:08 PM
There is one thing missing from the above. The mod warning. This one
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5675578#post5675578

UncaYimmy - repeatedly trying to use sophistry to get around thread closures and other mod directives will result in further action which may include suspension.

UncaYimmy you need to explain why you failed to mention this warning in this blog. It is only a month old and mentions you by name.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Monday, April 05, 2010 11:42 PM
rjh - I can't mention what I don't know. Remember, the admins still have not given me a suspension notice. When I learned of the mod box in question by reading the thread in FM, I updated my blog. i was clueless until then. I searched for a mod box warning that might apply but couldn't find it because I was looking for threads I had started. Darat moved my post to the end of the existing thread, so I didn't see it.

To be quote honest when I saw that mod box I shrugged it off as Darat being on yet another power trip. I made a legitimate suggestion in that post and offered a snide remark at the same time ("cough>") about a closed thread. There was no sophistry (read the definition) involved whatsoever. It was blatant that I was giving my opinion on the closed thread. My suggestion, however, stood on its own.

Little did I realize that Darat would later accuse a perfectly acceptable protest post of being sophistry and use it to suspend me. That mod box didn't even pop into my head because no sophistry was involved.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:29 AM
There are comments here allegedly from VisionFromFeeling. The IP address for the person making the posts is from Verizon Wireless, so I can't tell if it's her or not. The approval notifications go to VFF's e-mail address, so she's aware if somebody is forging her name. The last comment allegedly by VFF is certainly not her style at all, and it came from a different Verizon Wireless IP address than the first three. No other comments in my blogs have come from Verizon Wireless IP addresses as far as I can tell. Such is the price you pay when you allow anonymous comments.
Audible Click
# Audible Click
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:36 AM
Those comments don't sound like VfF at all but maybe she has someone writing with her permission, if that's what's going on it's a rather low and cowardly thing to do.
rjh01
# rjh01
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 12:46 AM
Lessons for UncaYimmy
1. Never ignore mod boxes. Even if you think they are Darat going on a power trip.
2. Read FM threads that you have posts in that are then closed.
3. You no longer have the right to start protest threads about other threads being closed. This is due to your abuse of that right. Other members who have not yet abused that right maintain that right.


I can see no reference to the mod box, I quoted above, in your blog. The mod box is right under a post of yours. So I find it very hard to believe you did not see it.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:05 AM
rjh01 - I have to say I find it amusing that you say you have a hard time believing I didn't see the mod box when you can't even find my reference to it in my blog while looking right at it. The irony makes me giggle. Maybe Look for Addendum #2. If you're reading this, just scroll up.

I said I saw it at the time but didn't recall it. The admins never gave me a suspension notice either. Lisa didnt' reference it the appeal. I also said that when I looked for a relevant mod box, I couldn't find it.

Are you accusing me of lying about that? If so, I find that amusing. The knock on me is that I am too confrontational. I have no problems saying that Lisa, Darat and Jeff Wagg are worthless at their jobs managing the forums. They make stupid decisions left and right and use their own brand of "sophistry" to defend their decisions and quash dissent. Sniveling bootlickers like yourself lap it up because you're too weak to command any authority on your own.

When Lisa, Jeff and Darat launched their "Ban UncaYimmy" campaign, which of us actually posted the contents of the exchanges? You didn't see the three stooges doing it, did you? No, it was me. While you may disagree with my interpretation of something, I have always been 100% forthright in providing the actual evidence and letting people decide for themselves.

So, when I say I intended to start a protest thread, I mean it. When I say sophistry was the furthest thing from my mind, I mean it. When I say I deliberately needled Darat in the post where I got a mod box, I mean it. I don't hide from it. That's not my style.

As for suggestion #3, I know you're a wannabe moderator running around tagging threads like a good little puppy, but that's not your call to make. If Heir Darat wants to forbid me from starting protest threads about thread closures, let him do it. But that's not what he told me. Since you gave me that advice, I take it to mean you know yourself that I was not using sophistry. Why else would you make such a point?

Thanks for the tacit admission that my suspension was bullshit.
rjh01
# rjh01
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:24 AM
A few corrections.
1. I am not a "wannabe moderator."
2. I am not a puppy.
3. I have made no admissions in my previous posts.

I will now make one. I am half blind. I missed your Addendum #2. So sorry about that.

You started a protest thread called "I Protest the Closing of GreyICE's Thread" after you had told not to do so by Darat. Who cares if you did not use sophistry and did it openly? It is still a violation of Darat's warning. Can see no abuse of power by Darat.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:26 AM
So, Rika says this part of my post was intended as sophistry to reopen the thread: "Considering it was a holiday weekend, I don't think the membership was given ample time to comment in the thread." That's funny but enlightening.

If ANY member commented on the content of the closed thread, it would have resulted in mod action. Basically, you're accusing me of opening a thread and encouraging others to comment. Where have I ever done such a thing? Context, right?

If you want context, go look at my thread about the thread closure policy in FM. One of the poll options is to require at least 24 hours warning before closing the thread. Clearly suggesting members haven't had ample time respond due to the holiday weekend is entirely consistent with that position.

Cleon even agreed that sometimes moderators are too quick to pull the "Question answered, thread closed" routine. Obviously, I'm not alone in this position.

In this post (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5679394#post5679394) I even specifically honored Darat's mod box, which clearly demonstrates that I saw it and actively chose to follow it. In another post I did my best to honor it (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5681291#post5681291). In that very same post I again bitched that the thread was closed too quickly.

This is very clear evidence that since the mod box not only have I honored it, but I was allowed to refer to a thread being closed too quickly. I did not receive any warning whatsoever that this was inappropriate.

However, since Lisa closed my appeal because the admins FAILED TO SEND ME A SUSPENSION NOTICE and I argued the wrong points, I can't even present this as evidence. Is this how a board dedicated to critical thinking should be run?
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:31 AM
1. You come across that way, rjh01, whether you realize it or not.

2. See above.

3. Yes, you did. If I am not allowed to start any protest threads about thread closures, then you are admitting that this is why I was suspended.
rjh01
# rjh01
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:40 AM
You were suspended for ignoring a mod warning. The mod warning was not to start protest threads about thread closures. You ignored that warning (by starting another protest thread) and so were suspended.

Where is the BS? You say there is some. I cannot see any by Darat or the other mods.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:55 AM
rjh01, are you stupid? The warning was not to create protest threads about thread closures. If you'd look up from the boot you're looking and read the comments, you will see that I was told not to use sophistry to circumvent thread closures to discuss them further. Those two things are not the same.

Furthermore, in a comment above you will see a link to a post in FM where I protested a thread as being closed prematurely *after* I received the mod box. I was not even warned about it because I, like everyone else, am allowed to protest the thread closures as long as I don't attempt to discuss the content. Where is the evidence that I discussed the content?

@Zooterkin - I already said I say the mod box (see the comment three up from this one). You are wrong, I believe, that I received a notification of the post being moved. I didn't receive one when Tricky moved the most recent thread to the end of the existing thread. There's no "Merge" trail left, so they didn't use the same technique they normally use. AutoMod had nothing to say about it, which is why I couldn't find it earlier today. As for Darat and Jeff trying to ban me, you have the facts wrong. Again. See the Related Articles link for more blog entries about it if you want to be informed.
Akhenaten
# Akhenaten
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:58 AM
Lessons for rjh01

1. Learn your fuckin' place in the big scheme of things, you twerp, and don't dare to offer your trite little suggestions to people who wouldn't bother feedin' you if they owned you. As a rough guide, your place is down in the fuckin' sludge, taggin' the bacteria and other bottom feeders that you think are impressed with your pathetic efforts.

2. Get a fuckin' life. Admittedly, this might be a little difficult for a useless, brain-dead twat such as yourself to accomplish with the limited mental faculties and total lack of anything resembling a fuckin' personality at your disposal, but at least the rest of us will enjoy the break while you hopefully spend the rest of your miserable life searching for the single clue that's so far completely eluded you.

3. Remember that the whole fuckin' world isn't the nice cosy little hole in the mud that you think you're king shit of over at the JREF Forum, and out here in reality land there are nasty, dangerous things like me who will eat your fuckin' head if you don't behave yourself at least something like you're more than ten fuckin' years old.

4. Bein' a complete retard is probably something you can't help, but flaunting it certainly is. Get back under your fuckin' rock with the rest of the crawly things, and STFU.

Have a nice day, ya three-dimensional loser.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:04 AM
Akhenaten! We don't like that kind of sophistry here! I expect more from a Meanie. Say what's on your mind and or don't say anything at all. Leave your veiled insults over at the JREF.
VisionFromFeeling
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:18 AM
I find it odd that the very post you think was responsible for your suspension, has now been posted by the Moderators, yet you are still on suspension. Are you sure this post is what led to the suspension? If so, then I feel they should lift your suspension since the post has now been approved in which case per the Moderators you did nothing wrong.

I am having a great time enjoying my long suspension. It is like being on vacation on an island sipping a nice drink and enjoying the peace and quiet. Don't you think posting and writing is hard work too UncaYimmy? Perhaps you too should enjoy this short vacation they have awarded you, you've earned some time off too! So what do you say, buddy, meet me on the island of suspendees and grab yourself a drink. The waters are warm and it is nice and peaceful here.

Then we will be nice and refreshed and ready for another rounds of this drama that we assume to call skeptical inquiry.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:38 AM
The comment from VFF above is from the IP address normally associated with her. I have no idea who wrote the other comments under her name. Funny, though, Anita always manages to make it about herself, doesn't she? She obviously hasn't read the blog or the comments. Typical.
Akhenaten
# Akhenaten
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:07 AM
I was wondering about that myself.

Who the hell was that other person Anita? If you're going to do that sort of thing, at least try for a bit of consistency in style, phrasing and vocabulary between the two of you.

Spëiking øf hølidays, wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër?


@ UncaYimmy

There's no mistaking the real Anita, is there? Me, me, me!!!
GreyICE
# GreyICE
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:18 AM
I don't want to get too involved because it generally looks like I have a horse in this race. I don't, I gave up on the JREF as a force for skepticism, change, and good in general a long time ago. It's an aging organization that won't outlive its founder by much, and is generally doomed by its unprofessionalism, general confrontationalness, lack of recruiting efforts, and general stupidity.

So if I get warned, banned, etc. I couldn't care less. I tossed up the thread because I'm not letting BS go uncommented on, but I expected the appeal to be denied and the thread swiftly shut down. Tricky is probably the only reason I'm unbanned over there, me and him get along (if Tricky was running the show, I think it would be a much cooler show, but generally when I joined, the caliber of mods was just much higher. Comparing Chillzero to Locknar or LashL shows exactly how far the moderation has fallen, and Chill wasn't even my favorite moderator).

Anyway, UY, I suggest you do what I have done, and simply give up on JREF. There's greener pastures out there, with people who care about building a community for skeptics and people who ask questions and expect answers. Darat and the fawning Modettes are not those people.

I appreciate the PMs you've sent me, but in all honesty, I have stopped fighting that particular fight a long time ago. I don't give up, but I do rechannel my resources when I see they're being wasted, and the JREF is generally a lost cause.

When you look at the fact that they're not gaining any viewership whatsoever, and the best people can come up with is that they're sitting still, which implies, err... something for the organization (it's doomed), then it's generally a bad sign.

I think it's genuinely sad, because for many skeptical causes the JREF is one of the highest google results, and the forums have provided great debunkings, but without recruitment, active encouragement of membership, and stronger support for the forums, they (and by extension, the JREF) is dead.

And I don't see it not dying, with Jeff in charge.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:35 AM
Thanks, GreyICE. You and I have gone at each other - heatedly at times, I might add - but unlike the moderators, it seems were both willing to give each other a fair shake as each new topic arises. I'm sure we'll butt heads again.

I hear what you're saying about the JREF. It's funny how everybody forgets that Jeff was supposed to clarify the thread closure policy a month ago, but he never did. Last year around this time he talked big about integrating the forums with SWIFT. Nothing has been done.

Most non-profits would be thrilled to have a captive audience as large as the JREF Forums, but the JREF squanders their asset away. It's a shame.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:45 AM
Wow! I now see that this has spawned a new thread about moderator bias. First off, it exists and is sanctioned by the JREF. When I e-mailed Jeff Wagg about RSLancastr getting favorable treatment, his entire reply to me was, "Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Robert Lancaster has a relationship with the JREF that extends beyond the forum. He does get special treatment because of this." Even the staunchest modette can read. There's no denying it exists.

In the thread where I brought this up, the mods vehemently denied it and attacked me personally calling me "petty" and "mean-spirited" for discussing it. Obviously they were lying and/or wrong.

You can also take a look at Tricky's ad hominen attack in FM, where all mods post as moderators. He very clearly states his bias against me, which is not based in fact in any way, shape or form. The attack was allowed to stand, and it clearly shows an incorrect view of me on the forums.

Has anyone else noticed that I have never been sanctioned outside of Forum Management? Why is that? Why is someone capable of suffering heated attacks, including personal attacks that receive infractions, in the VFF threads able to abide by the membership agreement without a blip but seemingly unable to do so when criticizing moderation? Why is it when I was in favor of moderation, I never received any infractions?

Want to see more evidence of bias? Read these blogs. Because of Darat's draconian enforcement of bringing up topics of closed threads and reposting ridiculously redacted text, it's virtually impossible to make the case in Forum Management.

At least Jeff was man enough to admit one case. Will Darat stand up and do the same? Or will somebody have to upload an avatar that looks like his cat again?
desertgal
# desertgal
Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:21 PM
That's a new low for Anita. For the most part, neither her detractors nor her supporters hide behind anonymous posts. But she now does. What's next - a sock puppet on the JREF forum?
VisionFromFeeling
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:28 AM
ok, let's also let Anita speak for herself. This was a reply to a blog by Mark Edward. It kinda gets the feeling of who she is, but that she is ready to become a skeptic.

Anita Ikonen says:
April 4, 2010 at 12:30 am
Since we are talking about me, dear Mark Edward, I need to make some comments as I find your insinuations here to be offensive. I have been involved in Skepticism for over a year now. I am reading about it, and interacting with Skeptics as I investigate my own paranormal claim and prepare myself in becoming a real investigating Skeptic myself once I finish the work of falsifying my own claims.

I just ended a four year long loveless relationship, and since half of those I know are fellow college students and the other half lately has been comprised of Skeptics, and since I was always only attracted to older men, chances are that I be likely to find someone in the latter. I did begin dating a Skeptic. Not because I am a woo trying to infiltrate the skeptical community and plant chaos, but because beside all the other things that I am, I am also just a woman.

I never try to use my charms or other personality characteristics to skew data or to try to change the conclusions in an investigation. As a student of chemistry I know that chemicals will do what they do and they never change their mind even if we are charming, and I let my test results have the same integrity.

I happen to be a very friendly, loving and caring but also shy and introverted person, but I am that in every situation in my life. That is who I am. And I am sorry if some of the times when I approach a person may come across as flirtateous or raise suspicion of alterior motives, but perhaps that is the consequence of when persons who otherwise would never have come together, meet, but that is how Skepticism brings people together.

I ended up dating a Skeptic out of mutual attraction, and I do believe it was he who made the first hint. And at the risk of having you censor this out, you yourself have shown and indicated plenty of interest in me.

I am offended that several Skeptics will misinterpret my continued investigation, hoping and desperately trying to unveil the next fraudulent psychic con artist that isn’t there. And when facts are not to be found to support their suspicions, they will drop the requirement that Skepticism, as science, needs to be impersonal, and they then try to attack and destroy my harmless investigation by use of irrelevant details of who I am in my personal and private space, that has got nothing to do with this investigation at all.

It is the way lawyers try to win an argument by first trying with facts, and then trying to prove their case by trashing the character of the person. But Skepticism is not to be won by the most persuasive or malevolent side. We are interested in finding the truth in every case, impersonal to emotions.

I am offended that several of you seem to make yourselves distracted by my “feminine charm”, kindness, looks, or other personality characteristics that I may have or that you may perceive of me, and that you then hold me responsible for any of its consequences on your practice of Skepticism.

In spite of this disrespectful column, I will continue valuing our friendship. I learn a great deal from you, as you too have taken that big step from woo and into Skepticism. Many Skeptics turn their hatred of woo against me personally and are making it exceedingly uncomfortable for me to join them as Skeptics, but I know a good thing when I see it, and no amount of insults or personal attack is ever going to turn me away and force me back into woo.
desertgal
# desertgal
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:46 PM
What the hell does any of that have to do with the topic of the blog, Anita? Once again, it's just "I, I, I, I, I, I, I..."

No one gives a shit about your personal life. Provide a detailed critical examination of ALL of your claims, along with some real, conclusive evidence that you have explored rational alternative explanations...and THEN you might be taken seriously as a "Skeptic".

Nothing about your "scientific investigation" has integrity.
desertgal
# desertgal
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:55 PM
And for those unaware, Mark Edward was NOT talking about Anita. Naturally, being the narcissist that she is, she just assumed he was.

http://skepticblog.org/2010/04/03/sex-in-the-seance-room/#more-7463
Audible Click
# Audible Click
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:41 PM
Anita how do you manage to carry that giant ego around? Here is part of the Mark Edward reply to Anita's absurd blog post:

13.Mark Edward says:
April 6, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Okay. It’s TIME TO RELEASE THE KRAKEN!Despite rants to the contrary, the original blog I wrote was not all about Anita Ikonen, It never has been. She’s free to fantasize that it was if it makes her feel better and pushes her closer to her stated goal of “falsifying herself.” She’s not the only gamer in town.

You can read the rest at:
http://skepticblog.org/2010/04/03/sex-in-the-seance-room/#more-7463
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Thursday, April 08, 2010 5:10 AM
At this point my theory on these VFF posts is that it's her newfound love interest. The IP address for the latest VFF post is the same as the other out of character ones. In this latest one, "VFF" refers to herself in the third person before quoting the blog, which she has never done before. The e-mail address if VFF's e-mail address. You guys are receiving the approval notifications, right? I assume she is as well.

That explains everything:
* Ridiculing me in a way VFF has never done.
* Defending VFF
* Referring to her in the third person.
* Why VFF is not screaming that somebody is using her account.

Wonderful. Just what we need. Mr. Boyfriend, man-up and post as yourself in the future.
desertgal
# desertgal
Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:54 AM
VfF is "...desperately trying to unveil the next fraudulent psychic con artist "

That's not so hard. Just look in a mirror, cupcake.
GeeMack
# GeeMack
Friday, April 09, 2010 7:12 AM
... oh so it's "cupcake" now, is it? Meanie!
Farencue
# Farencue
Monday, April 12, 2010 11:50 PM
I love how Anita always says that although people have shit on her, she will continue valuing the friendship.
I think that's Arcturian for "I'm the innocent victim".
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