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I have been banned from the JREF Forums without even posting there for months. Did they not like my previous blog or was it something else? Here's the rundown of what happened

* In September I requested that my JREF account be set to disable posting privileges. I did not give a reason nor did I make some farewell speech. Truth be told, I needed a break.

* The JREF admins changed my access level to Guest. They did not ask any questions.

* I continue to log in and use the features available to this reduced access level. I have done so for the last few months.

* Within 12 hours of posting a blog entry critical of the JREF, I find I cannot log in. Using the forum software, I request a password reset by giving my registered e-mail address. I receive a new password and log back in.

* Within hours I cannot log in again. This time the system tells me that my e-mail address cannot be found, so I cannot do a password reset.

* I inquire with the admin (Lisa Simpson) known to handle the registrations and ask what is going on.

* I receive a reply that simply says that I had requested that my account be unregistered. No mention is made of what this has to do with anything because I have been able to log in for two months after the admins "unregistered" my account. Lisa offers to reset the account.

* I ask Lisa why my password and e-mail were changed.

* Lisa responds, "We did none of those things. We only did as you asked and set your account to unregistered. Again, if you wish for me to reset it, I will. If not, our conversation is over."

* I ask Lisa to set the account back to the status of once again being able to log in as guest.

* Lisa does not respond. I find I am still unable to request a password reset.

* I use the forum software to inquire as to what is going on with the system because if the admins aren't messing with my password and e-mail, then somebody else has access to my account. I ask for the e-mail address to be corrected so I can request a password reset. I also ask what e-mail address was given in its place and the IP address of the user making the change.

* Darat, another admin, sends a cryptic reply that he changed the e-mail address and that the password was reset to one even he doesn't know. Darat also states, "to be blunt I am not interested in receiving reports from a non-member."

* I have occasionally reported posts before and after having my account status set to Guest. Almost all of the posts I reported have been moderated, so I know I am no making frivilous reports. At no time has Darat ever said anything about not reporting posts when logged in as a guest (or as a full fledged member). If guests are not permitted to do this, why set the software up to let them?

* I, assuming that Darat changed the e-mail back to what it should be, try to request another password reset. Once again, the system tells me that my e-mail cannot be found. Believing that Darat had reset it back to the correct e-mail, I become even more concerned about the security of my account.

* I now use e-mail to involve Jeff Wagg, who works for the JREF and oversees the forums. I outline my concerns and suggest that perhaps someone on the inside is messing with my account. I mention the blog critical of the JREF coming just 12 hours before these problems start. I also mention Darat's rude comment about not wanting reports from me and the other personal insults I have received from moderators. I explain why it is highly unlikely a hacker has access to my password and suggest that perhaps someone on the inside is responsible. Most importantly, I want this investigated.

* Jeff Wagg accuses me of paranoia. He accuses me of whining. He states flat out, "nobody is playing games with you." Wagg goes on to say that my request to have my posting privileges revoked means I should not expect to be able to log in.

* Confused, I explain again that I have been able to log in for two months and that I was never told that I could not. I simply asked for my posting privileges to be suspended, and they were. Along with that restriction came other restrictions, but at the same time I had access to (and used) forum features that ordinary visitors do not.

* Wagg claims that I really wasn't logged in and that what I saw was only due to cookies. He says there is no Guest status. He's wrong.

* I point out that I was able to use certain forum features including reporting posts and resetting the password. I, in fact, was able to log in and out of the system just as before, only with reduced privileges. Clearly logging in as a Guest is permitted.

* It comes to light that Darat was the person responsible for my account changes. First, he changed my password without telling me or Lisa that he was doing so. After I reset my password and logged back in (impossible according to Wagg), Darat changed the e-mail address for the account so that the reset password feature wouldn't work for me. Again, he did not tell me or Lisa he was doing this.

* Darat, in his typical uncommunicative way later clarified, "I did not say that I had changed your email address back to [deleted], and I have not done so." Apparently he thinks it's my fault for not knowing that his answer of "I changed the e-mail address" to my request to "change it back to [deleted]" meant that he changed it to some junk address. Silly me.

* I explained this all to Wagg and wrote, "if...my choices are either I cannot log in at all or that I must have a full membership, then I respectfully request the latter."

* Wagg responded with, "One last chance. No whining. No theories. Do you want an account, yes or no?" I guess he can't read. Well, I know he can read, he probably didn't bother to read my response. Communication with the JREF, it seems, is one-way.

* I responded by saying that the answer was in the previous e-mail (see above quote). I also explained that this was no "theory" but actually what happened - Darat, seemingly without telling the other admin or myself, changed the password and later the e-mail for my account because he says he doesn't want to receive reports from non-members, namely me.

* Wagg responded telling Darat and Lisa to permanently disable my account on the forums.

Am I paranoid? Clearly not. The JREF did, in fact, alter my account. Is the timing suspicious? Yes. To be fair, I did report a post a couple of days ago. I have made several reports in the months during which I have been reading and not posting. I think this unfair treatment is the result of a combination of things, all of which center around the JREF's inability to accept criticism no matter how constructive. It's a shame how they, especially Jeff Wagg, treat people. C'mon, this is the guy they hired to be the Communications and Outreach Manager?

I had an exchange with Wagg a few months ago regarding how a certain member seemed to be treated as a "favorite" by the moderators. This member was doing things for which other members had been moderated and even suspended. I brought this up in the Forum Management section of the JREF Forums, but was viciously attacked by members and moderators alike because this person was well liked. I was told in no uncertain terms by the moderators that this person was not receiving special treatment and that I was being "petty" and "mean-spirited" for even suggesting it. After all, I was told, all members are treated equally and everyone, including the moderators, had to follow their precious Membership Agreement. When I later asked Wagg about this, he said that this person has a special relationship with the JREF and does, in fact, receive special treatment. Of course, I received no apologies. And I'm sure the moderators keep telling the members that everyone is treated fairly and equally.

It's truly a shame that such a valuable resource like the membership of the JREF Forums are treated so poorly, but with such arrogant and rude people at the very top, nothing is going to change.

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Comments

Greg
# Greg
Friday, November 13, 2009 11:18 AM
Having been treated with the same disdain and contempt by a member of the JREF staff, I agree that there are problems with the human element there at the JREF and the forum.

I reported some extremely off topic postings which were ignored by the moderators. When I took the issue to the JREF staff, I was accused of posting off topic myself. Fact is, my posting which was used as an example by the staffer was not only on topic, it was not even in the thread under discussion. My posting was in a moderated thread set aside especially for the topic of the violator's off topic post.

When I responded to point out the staffer's error, I was told that it appeared I didn't want to discuss it. When I pointed out that there's a difference between not wanting to discuss it and not being willing to agree with an accusation that was clearly not true, I was ignored. Obviously it was the JREF staffer and not I who didn't want to discuss it.

I think it's a case of the JREF staff not wanting to be bothered by the forum, so they trivialize legitimate problems and try to drop them back in the lap of those who bring them to their attention. After all, if they weren't made aware of the problems, they wouldn't be problems, now would they? Add to that at least some of the moderators, in at least some instances, are pretty subjective about how they handle their moderation.

Thanks for your comments, Jim.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Friday, November 13, 2009 1:45 PM
Your story is not unlike others I've heard. There seems to be a mindset that they are right and anyone who complains is wrong. Period. They have had a constant stream of complaints for years, so they figure it's just par for the course. No need to take them seriously, right? It's just noise, and they don't value the forums anyway.

What really gets me is how little regard they have for forum members as people. They treat them rudely and unprofessionally. In your case they immediately started a pissing match to put you on the defensive. In my case all Darat had to do was send me an e-mail before altering my account. How hard is that?

I don't agree with this new policy regarding members who ask to have posting privileges suspended, but it's their sandbox, so they make the rules. It just seems hypocritical to quote their vaunted Membership Agreement to members who innocently violate the rules yet make it up as they go along when it comes to other areas.

And, of course, why did Jeff Wagg feel the need to permanently ban me from the JREF Forums? Talk about an overreaction. I asked to have my positing privileges restored, but he didn't bother to read my entire e-mail and missed. After accusing me of whining, he demands that I give him an answer I already gave him. When I point out that I had already answered, he throws a hissy fit and bans me from the forums.

Of course, my status doesn't read "banned" like it should. That's probably because when they ban someone, they post it publicly and give the reason. What would it say in my case? "UncaYimmy has been banned because Darat messed with UY's account settings without telling him, Lisa Simpson denied that anyone at the JREF had done anything, and Jeff Wagg got into a pissing match and threw a temper tantrum when UY inquired as to what was going on."
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:19 PM
There seems to be some confusion regarding whether I requested that my account be deleted, unregistered or whatever. Here is the exact message in its entirety that I sent to Darat and Lisa a few months ago:

"Please inactivate/unregister (or whatever you call it) my account so that I have a status of Guest without posting privileges. "

Within hours of this request I found that I did, in fact, have a status of Guest under my name and did not have posting privileges. I was still able to log in and use a limited subset of the forum features. Nobody ever told me that I would no longer be allowed to log in. It is quite clear that I was operating under the assumption that I would still be allowed to log in, and for two months that was the case.

The issue here is that Darat changed my password without telling me. I reset it and logged in. Darat changed it again without telling and also changed my e-mail address so I could not reset my password (again, without telling me).

Lisa Simpson, who is in charge of registrations, denied that the admins had done anything to my account. Darat failed to communicate clearly what he had done. I assumed that my account had either been hacked or was being tampered with by the admins. Turns out I was right - Darat did tamper with my account.

Jeff Wagg, instead of trying to sort things out, threw a temper tantrum accusing me in effect of having a conspiracy theory by calling me paranoid. While it may be a pure coincidence that after two months of being able to log in, my account was altered within hours of posting an article critical of the JREF, I was certainly spot-on that someone working for the JREF was the one altering my account. And considering that both Jeff and Lisa initially denied that anyone was messing with my account, I feel fully justified in my frustration.

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