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In case you didn't see it, the UNCC Niner Online published an article about Anita Ikonen, aka Vision From Feeling. It appears* that James Randi himself decided that after a year of silence it was time that he spoke up about this nonsense. Of course, he didn't do it on the discussion forums that his foundation sponsors. Why would he? After all, it was only the most popular paranormal subject for discussion outside of the handful of people who constantly bicker about bigfoot.

Apparently Randi's plan of attack is to wait until some "woo" (a person who believes in the paranormal) generates enough steam to get some notoriety, preferably national. Then he suggests they take his Million Dollar Challenge. Of course, at this point, they don't need the publicity, even if it's negative. They have also refined their shtick so much that they are no longer foolish enough to even attempt to "prove" their abilities because they know they will fail. Instead, they play the victim and gain even more strength among their followers. Sure, the MDC does some good. A few fence sitters may wonder why some famous psychic refuses to take the test, but with the lies spread by the charlatans, it's a tough sell.

What Randi should do is engage the likes of Sylvia Browne before they become famous. Expose them before they generate a following. Expose them before they have publicists who are smart enough to tell them to stay away from skeptics. Expose them when they might still believe in this nonsense.

James Randi had that opportunity with Anita, but he didn't do a damn thing. The topic of Vision From Feeling has generated literally thousands of posts on his board, but Randi has not made a single post or even mentioned her in his blog. She contacted the JREF about the MDC, so they definitely were aware of her. There's no way he can claim ignorance.

With his fame and connections, he could have called her university (UNCC) and spoken to the head of the physics department. He could have said, "Hey, one of your students is spouting a bunch of paranormal nonsense all over my discussion board. She even contacted us about taking the Million Dollar Challenge. Would you folks be interested in arranging a test for her?" He could have stopped her right in her tracks, but he sat on his hands.

Instead, I had to start this website. Me. Somebody with no fame. No pull. No experience. No million dollars. Did Randi offer me any guidance or encouragement? No. Not a peep. Back in September, before I stopped posting on the JREF, I started a thread about things the JREF could do to promote skepticism. Did anyone from the JREF even respond? Of course not. They are too busy arranging cruises and conventions so they can preach to the choir. They're not interested in doing anything truly useful, like debunking an otherwise exceptional student who plans on getting a degree in medical physics. The best way to stop so-called "scientists" from promoting pseudoscience is to expose them before they get into a position of power.

The only thing James Randi did was post a single comment on the article about Anita, and he got that wrong. He says that her claims are not on her website. They are. He refers to people who might believe in her foolishness as "suckers" - yeh, that's a great technique. Insult the very people you're trying to keep from harm. He also says she will laugh all the way to the bank even though there is no evidence she has ever charged anyone for her perceptions. What Randi doesn't realize is how far this site has already gone in keeping her from being able to make a career of this.

What do you think will happen when Anita wants to go for her masters or doctorate? What about when she tries to get a job? People research candidates these days because it's so easy to do on the web. If any reporter wants to write an article about her, they, too, will do some research. What do you think they will find? I have made sure that this site is the #1 listing in all the search engines for Anita Ikonen. Her credibility as a scientist and a psychic has already been damaged by her own words and actions. This site simply tells the story.

So, Mr. Randi, nobody needs your two cents about Anita, especially when it's ill informed and inflammatory to the people we want to reach. Stick to your cruises.

* I do not know for a fact that James Randi is the one who actually wrote the comment. It sounds like him, though. All of my points about Mr. Randi still stand as do my points about how stupid that comment was, even if he didn't write it himself.

Comments

bookitty
# bookitty
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:48 PM
How many claims does the JREF handle in a year, or even a day? How many pop up on the boards? It would take an army of employees to carefully study each and every one in order to project where they might be headed.

One of the goals of the JREF is to debunk people who are in the spotlight. To offer a rational voice that is as loud as their irrational claims. That has been Mr. Randi's personal mission for longer than the JREF has been in existence.

At this time, there is nothing so special about Anita that she deserves the attention of the JREF. She may be your pet project but to the rest of the world, she's just another deluded wanna-be. The quote, if it is Mr. Randi, reflects the weary exhaustion that comes from dealing with so many of these budding shysters.

If she branches into professional woo, this website will be a useful tool. But people will still be drawn to her because her sort of nonsense still has believers. The JREF is fighting that belief first and foremost.

UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:43 PM
Guess what? James Randi does have an "army" of people willing to help. There are a few thousand active members on his board. Does he make use of this resource? No, not in the least. He studiously ignores the forums.

He and Jeff Wagg pay lip service to how valuable the discussion forums are, yet despite repeated requests and suggestions regarding integrating the forums and the daily blog, nothing has been done. The only time the JREF gets involved with the forums is to promote their preaching to the choir events and to rudely tell complainers in Forum Management that they are doing nothing wrong.

Did you even read my suggestions in the JREF sub-forum? There's a lot that the JREF could do without actually having to do a lot. They could pass off people like Anita to local skeptic groups, but that would require actually getting off their asses and trying to work with people.

As for your belief that one goal is to "debunk people in the spotlight" where's your evidence? Who, exactly, have they debunked in the last 20 years? Unless, of course, you mean having your test ignored by people with followings many times the size of the JREF following.

As for how many claims they handle, go do the MDC forum. They actually handle very few. By my count they have handled 11 challenge applications. They don't keep members updated, so we have no idea where any of these stand.

Meanwhile, there's a core group of people eager to help applicants through the process. Does the JREF solicit their assistance? No. Do they even thank anyone for the help they give on their own? No. The manpower is there, but they haven't even tried to make use of it.

What you don't get is that people like Sylvia Browne and John Edward were once nobodies. They all have to start somewhere. There's just no point in addressing them once they've been on Larry King a dozen times. That's closing the barn door after the horse is gone.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:44 PM
I mean, 11 challenge applications so far in 2009.
bookitty
# bookitty
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:45 PM
The JREF boards are made up of many anonymous individuals within every range - professional to dilettante, sane to not. While there are a few who could handle the work you suggest, there are many that could not be trusted with it. It's a chatboard.

There are limits to what the JREF considers worth their time. You think differently, and have developed this website in response to what you consider worth your time. There really isn't any need to judge which tactic is the better one.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:10 PM
Well, they have no problems asking these "anonymous" people for donations or inviting them to spend money on cruises and vacations. Besides, it's a specious argument to say they can't organize people because they are not yet vetted when in fact vetting is a critical part of the process of organizing people. How do you think they get the volunteer moderators?

And who are you to judge that I'm not allowed to judge what's the better tactic? I'm allowed to express my opinion. You're allowed to disagree and express yours. So far, though, your arguments have seriously fallen short, especially in regards to the details of what you *think* the JREF actually does.

Once again, did you read my thread in the JREF sub-forum where I suggested things the JREF could do? You know, the one they completely ignored?
bookitty
# bookitty
Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:09 PM
Whoa! I am not attacking you.

I did read the thread. I noticed that there was a lack of interest from members of the forum, the very people you suggest should be organized. Without that interest, there isn't much to the plan.

I empathize with your position in a lot of ways. The social activity in my area boils down to about twice a month - one meeting and one drink-meet. There are other opportunities but they mostly revolve around atheism and are not of interest.

I would love to see a JREF branch that offered a great deal more activity. I am as frustrated by frauds as you are. I loathe the anti-vax talking heads, the spurious psychics, the evolution deniers. I want there to be more, so much more that I can do.

But I just don't think that attacking the people who are doing something, even if it is not enough, is the way to go.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:07 AM
I respect your opinion and don't disagree with your logic. I disagree with your premise. What has the JREF done in the last year? They tested Connie Sonne at their convention. Okay, what else besides cruises, conventions, and speaking engagements to preach to the choir?

I and others have reached out to them, but they have been rude and dismissive (if they respond at all). E-mails go unanswered and not just from me. Read the MDC forum. People practically beg for information or feedback, but none is given. Applicants are not treated with the respect they deserve, much less the membership. They turn their backs on literally thousands of people who are interested in making a difference. They break promises about changing things and reject any constructive criticism outright (go read Forum Management).

And in this case, Randi's only comment was ill-informed and rude. So, what's an appropriate reaction? Should I continue to reach out to them and get rejected? No, I'm done with that. It's time to call a spade a spade and light a fire under their asses, even it's just a tiny match from an unknown.

I think there's a lot of hero worship as far as Randi is concerned. The JREF has enormous potential, but they are a close-minded group (the management, that is) whose arrogance is only overshadowed by their inaction. Nobody wants to tell the king he's not wearing any clothes. I don't have that problem.

I miss most of the people at the JREF. I don't miss the management, the forum admins, or most of the mods.

UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:13 AM
Oh, and I'm sorry for coming off too harsh towards you. I confess I was writing as if I were talking to Mr. Randi or Mr. Wagg himself. I sincerely apologize for my tone. I rarely write when I'm angry, but to be quite honest I'm a little fed up right with the JREF right now, and not just for reasons I have revealed publicly.

If you're ever in Phoenix, I'll buy you a beer. :-)
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:19 AM
I have deleted a blog comment from Anita Ikonen and moved it in its entirety to the Discussion Forums. Below is what I consider the only parts of her comment relevant to my blog entry. Anita, this blog is not a platform for you make speeches.

"I do however, feel that the JREF is a wonderfully valuable organization, and I do encourage the work that they do in skepticism worldwide."

"I also want to mention that I hold high regards for James Randi. I am a great admirer of his work, I enjoy watching him expose the tricks of fraud psychics. My favorite is the one with the gold dowser that spontaneously took place on the floor of the JREF library. It is brilliant throughout. "

"And I wonder for what other reasons, besides those revealed publicly, Jim Carr is feeling upset with the JREF?"
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:23 AM
Anita, do you think the things that bother me about the JREF are not sufficient to warrant my reaction? Do really think there's more, and I'm just keeping it secret? Of course, it's not surprising that you stoop to innuendo.
VisionFromFeeling
# VisionFromFeeling
Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:47 AM
Why so hostile, Jim? Maybe there was more to the e-mails you sent to the JREF, and in that case I would see why they would choose to block you. I don't know. All I know is I made a peaceful blog entry and now you are upset with me.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:42 AM
Why are you calling me hostile? I left the relevant part of your comment here and moved the entire comment over to the Discussion Forums where it belonged. I also announced what I did and explained why. How is that hostile?

I did take exception to you openly wondering if I there's more to the story that I am not telling. And now I take exception to you calling me hostile and accusing me of being upset with you. Please, stop with the manipulation already.

Why don't you offer this kind of feedback from people on your own website?
Stan
# Stan
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:52 PM
Hi Jim, I tried to warn you that you are completely unravelling with this VFF crap. Do your health a big favor and let it go. Look at your own posts from an outsider's perspective--its nuts!
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:08 PM
I appreciate your comments, Stan. I don't think my health is suffering because of this. I actually think I'm doing some good. The migraine sufferers group that Anita contacted certainly appreciated this website (the organizer told me so).

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