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So, I was suspended from Forum Management on the JREF Forums for gaming the system. At the time, no definition existed for that. Since then I have learned that their "definition" is just a vague statement that says, "Whatever we want it to be." To this date, nobody has told me what specifically I did to get suspended. How is anyone to learn to follow the rules if when they are broken, the powers that be don't give any examples? 

I was told that someone suggested that I "gamed" the system by opening a thread to ask if I could re-ask questions that were not answered in a closed thread. If this is the case, it's absurd. Let's take this from the ground up.

First, while I disagree with the policy of closing threads in FM, I can see their reasoning. I can also see why they would not want people to open a new thread to ask a question that the mods believed they answered in the closed thread. This is not in dispute.

However, if other people ask follow-up questions, which is what I did, and those questions are not answered (not even an attempt - no further responses by mods), then why should a member be not be permitted to ask them in a new thread? The guidelines for FM say that the mods are expected to "answer all questions within 24 hours." Clearly that's not the case, so a reasonable interpretation is that they only answer the OP within 24 hours, not follow-ups.

But here's the thing: I didn't re-ask my questions. Got it? I did not re-ask my questions. I started a thread and simply asked if members were allowed to repeat follow-up questions for which no attempt was made to answer. I gave a link to the thread in question to establish that this had in fact happened, so it wasn't a spurious hypothetical. Why is that important? Because asking "what if" questions about things that have never happened could be construed as "gaming" the system in that it would be sucking up moderator time for no good reason.

What happened was that I fully believed I had standing to ask those unanswered questions, yet I sucked it up and asked permission to do it not only for myself but for others. That's called showing respect for a system you think is flawed. Under the old FM rules, I would have simply re-asked my questions while pointing out that no mod responded to them the first time. This time I asked permission.

How can this possibly be called gaming the system? What other possible way could I have handled the situation? How could I have written my post without being accused and convicted of an undefined rule? My only alternative would be to not even ask if we're allowed bring up unaddressed questions from closed threads. How is that good for anybody?

I don't know if this is why I was suspended from FM or not. The Admins have not pointed to any specific posts or contacted me with any explanation other than, "you gamed the system." I am not allowed to appeal the suspension because all judgments in FM are final. Members are not allowed to protest my suspension either, because that's not allowed.

It's sad that the JREF has come to this.

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Interested Bystander
# Interested Bystander
Monday, June 07, 2010 9:50 PM
On 2nd June 2010 at 10:47am Tricky at JREF said: All right, we'll give you what we've been working on. It should be noted though that this is still being discussed and we have not had official administrator sign-off on it.

As always, context matters but generally speaking, "gaming the system" means using rules and procedures that are intended to benefit or protect the Forum and its Members in a manner that manipulates the rules and procedures for one’s own desired outcome that is detrimental to the Forum or its Members. While it is not (and perhaps cannot be) more precisely defined, it is closely related to what is often referred to as "Rules Lawyering" or "Barracks Room Lawyering". Such behaviour includes using the rules in bad faith in order to thwart the goals of the Forum or to harass or bully Members.

"Gaming the system" is engaging in this type of behaviour (noted above) by repeatedly posting in FM threads in a manner designed not to contribute meaningfully to the threads or to forum management issues, but rather to rehash past perceived injustices, reopen closed issues for no other reason then to vent (i.e. no new information added), and to use FM as a podium to vent personal issues rather than the useful tool it is intended to be.

The Mods and Admins have always taken action on such behaviour, although it may not have been called "gaming the system" then, and the actions taken may not have been so specifically prescribed.
UncaYimmy
# UncaYimmy
Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:46 AM
Thanks, interested bystander! I still have no clue what I did. I had one post moved to AAH about a week before I was suspended, and several people chimed in to express their opinions that the move was unwarranted. A few weeks earlier I had another post moved to AAH. That post is currently in third place in the voting for the May Language Award. Other than that I received no warnings, infractions or any other indications that I was doing anything inappropriate.

The rules as stated reek of stifling dissent. How, exactly, can one be detrimental to a forum dedicated to critical thinking? Why does Forum Management need special rules? The reality is that FM is visited by a relatively small segment of the board, so any "damage" is minimal at best.

It's sad to me that they use such draconian tactics.

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